EP 76: HELP! My Puppy is A Bit of A Knob

All right. Susie's left because she's going to go get some puppy questions. So we're currently with cars. We can do.

School's out.

Let's throw a chair through that window to settle down. And then realize it's our own window.

It also bounce back as a smash. Oh, okay. As good as it could have been trash.

She goes back.

What have you done?

I don't know. You left. And we just felt like we were gonna go rogue and we started pillaging

our own stuff.

We had a riot. We're gonna talk about puppies today because we've just released our puppy book.

All right.

And we put it out to our audience and puppy questions. So it's our annual. I think we usually do on about this time. Yeah, I think we. The first one was actually talking about puppies, episode one. Yeah, we're on, like now episode 70 something. So. Yeah, most podcasts, like 90 of podcasts don't make it past episode five. So we just ain't got it up here, have we? Nah.

Yeah. Ain't got the grit to take. Just keep going. Yeah. Just perceive. Seriously. I will not.

You still going, you boys? Oh, yeah.

We've got nothing else. I get to talk to you today.

Oh, God. Susie can't read because she's a fucking glasses.

Oh, yeah, you do.

Ah, see, it's giving babe station, I

think, the nice glasses.

I used to go home from school at 4 o' clock and put babe station on and it was on at 4. Yeah, but they weren't naked or anything.

No, they were just.

They just sounded like a drop blouse. The secretary one was my favorite.

Brilliant. That's probably why you like the glasses then. There you go. There you go. There you are. Look.

Now, this is going to go to. This podcast is going to go to somewhat of a colder audience. They may not be familiar with our shenanigans, but we're fucking. Here we are. Here we go.

They soon will be.

We're going to tell you a little bit about us first, in case you don't know who we are. We own the Yorkshire Canine Academy, which is a dog school, as it sounds. We do everything from puppy classes to coach and mentor other dog trainers and everything in between. We have a great team of dog trainers staff. We have a great team of backroom staff that produces content and make sure, you know, our business stays afloat. We're almost five years old now. I believe that true. I don't know. Yeah.

In April. Yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah. So we've existed for five Years.

Can we have a party this year?

We should have a party. Yeah. We'll have a half decathlonal. Decadent. Yeah, there's probably a word. Yeah. We have a YouTube channel. We have a podcast. As you're listening now, obviously, Between us we have 12 dogs. I think between Kirky and I, 12 brain cells. Yeah, we have at least brain cell or two. Yeah, they all fought each other to the death. So. So, yeah, here we are. We do know dogs, though, somewhat. We've trained a lot of them.

We got a lot of them.

Like you said, we've got a lot of them between us. So we wrote a puppy book thinking, you know, we might have something to listen to.

Yeah.

And we're going to send people this podcast that bought a book. But also, you might not have bought the book. It's currently 299. We're giving away 100% of the proceedings to charity. It's 299 because it might be shit. The first version, we wanted to sell it for 20 years. Yeah, yeah. No, it's good.

Totally exhaustive though. Is it?

Nah, nah, it's not. It shouldn't exhaust you. It shouldn't be too bad.

So get up, Think.

You know your van is like a dog charity shop, just kind of it. Take one out.

There you go. He had him just like in his own van the other day. Did he? Can I borrow a couple of dogs? I've got some spares. Yeah, there we go, look. Those two will do.

So, yeah, we train dogs from all over the world. We have two main programs, really. We have a five day intensive boot camp and then we have an online program which we call Training with Instinct. And yeah, we've probably trained a dog in every continent at least. Maybe not like the snowy ones, maybe not where the polar bears and penguins are. Did you know that a polar bear would never meet a penguin because they're in different poles?

That's interesting, isn't it?

I don't know whether it's true or not.

It's possible that a polar bear.

Come on. How's the old chatty giant? I hope it's true.

How do I term. How do. How should I term the question?

Would polar bears and penguins ever cross paths?

All right, word. Polar bears.

I'm sure I've read this somewhere a long time ago.

Ever crossed?

Maybe it's a particular type of penguin, like an emperor penguin.

It's pretty crazy because, like, Australia has penguins, so they're not like exclusive in the Galapagos Islands. It's not exclusively Cold weather, dude.

We have puffins, which are pretty close to penguins.

Yeah. Better at flying, though. Probably not as good at swimming. Short answer, no. Polar bears and penguins would never naturally meet. Polar bears live in the Arctic, the North Pole region. Penguins live almost entirely in Antarctica.

Call me David Attenborough.

I don't know how true this is, because it's like.

What do you mean? It's. A Chad knows everything.

Yeah, he fucking knows. He knows 12 things.

Okay.

You know best, Ian. You are a bird guy, though.

Yeah, see? But we know that they're in the Galapagos Islands. And so maybe they're predominantly in Antarctica, but there's definitely a lot.

Yeah, but there's no polar bears there. I'm not saying they're only in Antarctica. What I am saying is there's no penguins and polar bears that are naturally the same place. Because if polar bears are not in Australia.

Yeah, no, not naturally at least.

But at the same time.

Come on.

The fact is that just polar bears aren't anywhere else but that place. And there just so happens to not be penguins there.

Yeah.

So it's like saying, like, a polar bear will never meet a duck, which

is also probably true.

Yeah.

I don't know, though, because they can fly.

Polar bear will never meet a kangaroo.

Yeah, that's right.

In the wild. And probably not in the zoo, because that would be crazy dangerous. Probably.

Yeah.

There's only five animals that will go. I think. Have we done this? Fact. This might be the second time I've done this fight.

That's okay.

There's only five animals that will go out. Yeah. New listeners, new. We'll get to puppies. There's only five animals that will go out of their way to kill you. What are they?

Human beings.

Right. No. Yeah, but. Yeah, but animals.

No.

Okay, non human animals.

We'll say like predatory stuff then. Like big cats and bears. Tiger.

Yeah, that's one polar bear. Since we're topical, is one.

Can I say another bear or is it. Yeah, no, like a brown bear.

Don't know. I don't really know. Google it afterwards, because I know that

some of them are way smaller than you think and some are way bigger. I think the brown bear is like a big dude.

Sloth bears are quite small.

Yeah.

Even though Baloo was a sloth bear and he was big compared to a small Indian child.

A lion.

No, no, no. They stay out your way.

So if I.

Yes, I know what you're thinking. And ye.

So if I just go. Yeah, To Africa.

They're not on the List mate.

And I just start wandering around. I see a line, I'm like, that's cool. J Rod told me that he's gonna stay away from me. He's not interested in me at all. Brilliant. I get right up close. Yep.

Ticking him on the nose.

Yeah.

But that's not him going at that point. That's no longer him going out.

No. Maybe I've gone out of my way.

Yes. To be annoying knob. To which then you deserve to get fucking mauled to death.

Yeah, okay. But if I could. If I just walk adjacent to him, no matter what distance, I'm. Okay.

I don't know. No matter what distance. Because if you're coming into his territory, that is him no longer going out of his way. I'm like, if you're other side of the road. Okay, maybe can you head in the opposite direction? Yeah.

Okay. All right, fine. And then we're okay. All right, so what did I get? I got a tiger. Win polar bear. Win a brown bear. We think maybe. I think black bears are the smaller ones. Are they?

I don't know.

Surely like a great white. I'll have a go.

Yeah. I believe sharks would be one. Great whites or bulls, which we've been swimming with.

Yeah.

Accidentally.

Yeah.

You'll have to go see one of our previous podcasts. Hear about that. We accidentally swam with bull sharks. The most populated bull shark place during heightened pregnancy season. The most defensive they've ever been. We went and swam with them within small. All budgie smugglers.

Yeah.

Well, then croc, maybe.

What do you mean?

You said it was five, so then you.

Then you have to know them.

No, I think one is. Is hippo, one is leopard, but I don't know. Let's get the list up. Let's ask chatty G. I don't think.

I'm not buying into leopard is one.

The leopard is definitely one. Nope. Leopard. Yeah. Right. The thing is, it won't. I'm not saying animals you can't fight. It will just go out of its way. It's so five animals will go out of their way. To attack a human.

To attack a human.

I'm going tiger. Polar shark.

I thought for a second there, the old scream was on there and it said penguin. I was like, nah, penguin's definitely chatty. Come on. You're chatting saltwater croc bang. That makes total sense. Nile croc. I don't.

Can we do that?

That seems a bit fake.

Well, if we're going polar bear and black bear.

Here we are. Look. Number three. African lion.

No, no, I've been face to face with one. I'll put a picture up here. You eyeballed him. There you go.

Tiger. You have that one and the hippo, which was definitely one I wouldn't have got, but you. You tossed it out there. So. Yeah, fair enough. No polar bear and no leopard. And no black bear.

Ask it. What about leopards and polar bears? Polar bears, 100% would. They are the man killers.

Leopard or polar bear. I'm gonna put brown bear in there too. Or brown bear. What's he saying? He said, good question. These sit in a gray zone, so you might be okay, if you fancy chanting it. Leopard. Do they deliberately attack humans? Yes, in specific contexts.

All right, to be fair, I only saw this on an Instagram reel, so it's not like it's been fucking fact checked.

Well, this is ridiculous. Polar be. Do they deliberately attack humans? Yes, Unequivocally. Right. So why wasn't.

Why are they not on the top five?

Maybe they're just not in the top five because there's not as many of them.

Are you sure about lions?

Because I'm fucking brown bear. Do they deliberately attack humans? Rarely. Fair enough, but not never. So what we're saying. Are you sure about lions? Are you sure about lions? Jacob is cynical.

J rod. Ah, yes, that sounds like J rod.

Because I talk about a lot with him.

So is Jacob mad at me?

Yes, but not commonly and not by default. So he kind of lied on that first.

So why include. Why exclude polar bears?

And not unequivocally.

Yeah, but he's including the.

Maybe you'll be.

Maybe lion.

I don't know.

Ask it how far away you can hear a lion's roar. Because I believe that's like 20km, which

is similar to, obviously, a puppy wine in the crate.

Maybe we're getting there.

There.

We're gonna get there. We'll circle back to puppies. I've got one more interesting animal.

Can you hear a lion's roar? Short answer, five miles. Right. In good conditions. I don't know what the good conditions means.

That's the long answer. 25 miles. All right, that joke, it technically says,

like, three to five. This makes it one of the loudest vocalizations of any land animal besides Owen. You. You and Owen. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Why lions roar at all? Didn't ask about that.

Sorry, mate, last fact before we talk about puppies. Okay, There has been.

Am I going to need the.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Because I just say things real time.

Checking.

There has been zero Recorded deaths via orca.

Okay.

In the wild, never killed a human. It might have won, but it was like an accidental squished him. Not like a intentionally ate him, but. Go on, go on. You could swim with orcas in Mexico and Norway.

They're quite different.

They cover pretty much the whole world. Yeah, shout out to our Mexicans.

Yeah.

Know a few of you. Listen. At least one of you. Yeah, shout out to the Mexican. There was single Mexican dude that listens to us.

He seems like good bloke to be fair. Yeah, I like him. I've never met him, but I like him. 0 verified human fatalities despite global distribution. What? So some things worldwide so surprising say

that they're literally all over the world.

Thousands of encounters. Orcas being fully capable of killing a human effortlessly. Yeah, it gets in there effortlessly. Fair enough. Your shit important contrast captivity. You did make that distinction.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Highly artificial environment. All known fatal OCRA incidents have happened in captivity.

And how many of them are there?

It doesn't actually say. How many? Many in captivity.

How many deaths as opposed?

Okay, you go four.

What? Just four deaths. That's not how many really, is it?

No, it's pretty good.

Not that they should be in captivity, by the way.

Names. I don't know if it should give you the names. The people number four is an unconfirmed early case, often debated.

What do you mean?

It could be. It doesn't give you the name for the fourth one.

Unconfirmed.

Unconfirmed.

Steve Goat. Some say killer whale. Some say just a bad cold. Okay.

We can't say. Yeah, that's the key though.

Say that about a lot of dead people. Couldn't say it wasn't a killer whale.

There you go. Yeah.

All right then.

All right.

Where are our puppy questions?

Susan's got them.

Susie's secretary of bird station librarian. Susie. It's gonna be handy stump and banking. We've done a whole podcast on that. So we're not gonna actually answer that question today.

Is lunging towards people excitement or reactive?

Oh, that's a good one. Oh, yeah, that's a great question. So the question is, is lunging towards people puppy excitement or reactivity brewing? That's a great question.

Do you know who could answer this, Tony? Because a puppy started doing it today.

Did it?

Yeah, a little bit. One begets the other, right?

Huh.

So the lunging may well become reactivity. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's going to be age dependent to a degree. A little bit.

Yeah.

So puppies are pretty like your puppy should want to like interact with people.

Yeah.

That means like, okay, we've got a good puppy as a positive view over third parties, which is preferential to like running away from them.

Yeah, I've seen bigger problems than that.

Yeah. And then the second thing we need to caveat is like, can you, can you bring your puppy's attention away from that person? Like if you were to try. If the answer is no, then maybe, yeah, reactivity brewing. If the answer is yes, I'd be like, oh, you haven't got a problem then. Yeah, Yep, fair enough.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Like we've spoken before even in terms of a lot of it's like forwards and backwards engineer, isn't it? Which is going to be one of my points later on when I was thinking about.

Hold it.

Are you sure?

No, no, no, no. Pause your time, mate. Don't blow your load too soon. Let's give these fuckers something to listen.

Okay.

They have to trudge through our bullshit if you want some dog training. I didn't mean to call you fuckers,

by the way, but if you think

you've got little copsies, have you.

If you think of like when we talk about reactivity stuff like social based reactivity with an adult dog, you're always like. And it's a great point. You want your dog to be as social as you possibly can.

So long as you have just dropped on the podcast.

That's great. So long as we've got the motivational deck to get him back. Right? That's.

Yeah, that's correct.

So it's kind of the same.

Yeah. You would actually much prefer your dog be a hyper social dog.

Yeah.

And want to be with everyone. But then the, the problem there lies is like, all right, bd, you still have a certain level of control for motivation towards you. So yeah, it's going to depend. All right, that's a good question. Next one. What essentials do you. Do we mean behavioral. So the question is, what essentials do you recommend from a GSP pup? Picking them up at the end of the month. Do we mean behavioral essentials or equipment essentials?

Yeah. Hmm.

Let's do equipment. Yeah. If they're, if they're just picking the puppy up, they're probably thinking like, what do I need for this puppy?

Fleecy jacket.

Pardon?

A fleecy fresh right now.

Yeah. All right.

They're shortcoming. I'm only kidding, really, but I've just seen a lot recently in fleecy jackets.

All right, there you go. Fleecy jacket.

What else do you need? Somewhere to sleep Yep. I've seen a lot of. I don't like saying separation anxiety. I want to say I've seen a lot of gsps with fomo.

Separation anxiety is a conspiracy.

It's a. Yeah.

It's not real.

No. I've seen a lot with really bad FOMO slash control beef. So I probably want to create training. It's probably the quickest and easiest way to toilet train your pup. Anyway, need somewhere to sleep, so I'm going to pick up a crate.

Okay.

Probably one with a divider in it.

Okay.

Saves me buying a new one later.

Yeah. Nice. Start small and then.

Yeah.

You can move the divider to make the crate bigger.

I remember one of those.

Accommodate the dog that grows.

Nice. I remember one of the early things you said to me where you went about making an ensuite in the corner. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I probably. I think you still use that.

Yeah, I would. You got two real options. You either go small crate and just get up in the middle of the night, toilet train them, or I just create an ensuite. Just nice big crate and you just piss over there. And then when they're maybe 16 weeks, maybe a bit older. No, really rush. If you're using this method, you just put a divider in and then they're not going to go over to the other side.

Yeah.

So, yeah, a crate. What else? Bowls and dishes.

Bowls, dishes. Do we need a bowl? Food bowl. We definitely need a water bowl.

Yep. Oh, yeah. We might use your hand. Unless you gave the water. That would be a fairy also, like in a. Yeah. So you either need a hand bowl or one of those guinea pig things where you can just use that as your marker.

Yeah. Be fair. Marker.

So, yeah, bowl. Or you could just use like an ashtray or something. Really? Could you save some cash?

Yeah, Just maybe not just recently used.

We're in a recession right now, so. That's how much you love the puppy. Really?

Yeah. It's a gsp though, so I don't know. It's gonna be noisy.

I'm probably gonna be like, yeah, he's gonna be an asshole.

Yeah.

In terms of his essentials, essentially. Take the puppy back for a reflank. You could do that. It's not too late.

It's not gonna me. People are brave, though, getting those type of breeds, aren't they?

Yeah, they're hard work, those type of breeds. Those HPRs, they are. I think they're seen as like a Labrador with more energy. But a Labrador in itself is plenty of energy for you yeah. So yeah, yeah, maybe like a house line.

Yeah. The company animals.

You just pick them up and put them down though for the first like real bit, don't you? Yeah, it's probably not a small, small puppy, like an eight weeker. Yeah. Be a bit of a on. So. Yeah, maybe like a little toy.

Yeah, yeah.

Sort of something to. Yeah. I'd even use a tea towel.

Smoking robe, aren't you?

Yeah, smoking just the edge of my, my tassel off my smoking jacket.

But it's true that anything can be a toy.

Yeah. Do you want to know? I got a story. So when, when I got Ranger, I bought him like every toy. Like an idiot as you do. Is it? So jokes aside, you don't need like a million toys. Like that's gonna create a massive problem. And I'll explain why I use an anecdotal story. So we bought every toy under the sun for Ranger. Your squeakies, your flappies, your balls and everything. And there's still a picture somewhere. I reckon we'll be able to dig it out. We'll ping it up here. Right. There he is. And, and, and you know you're told you your dog needs toys, you need to play with them to enrich them and stuff, which is true.

Well, but some people, they say don't play with your dog though.

That is crazy. That is crazy. Well, come on. That's a separate podcast. That's the podcast where we're going to talk about chimpanzees in the. The primate family. Anyway, yeah, so we gave him a bunch of toys and you know, you just put them all down for him and he plays with them for a little bit and then just gets bored and like chews them up and shit. So he ends up. And then one day I drop it's the lid off, you know, like a aerial, like soap. Your balls are out. How long have your balls been out?

I think we're good with these two cameras.

It might just be this one, but I'm wearing black. Zoom in on that. Yeah, you can't get away with having your out if it's black. Oh God. Anyway, so you know like your balls are out. You just out on the podcast. I know this is a bit nsfw. Literally sat sit there with and balls out. So anyway, you know the lid of Ariel, we'll put a picture, put it

in and throw it in. Yeah, yeah.

Yes, you throw that in. I drop one of them on the floor. He tries to get it. I say, no, you can't have that. I take it off him. That was his favorite toy because it was the thing he wasn't allowed.

Yeah, fair enough.

Yeah, right. And it wasn't that. That particular thing. Thing was so enticing to him. And then, idiot me, I'm like, no, no, no. We play with this instead. Like, hey, don't you want this? And he's like, no, I want the thing. I can't have the thing that you threw on the floor. It made a funny sound. I got it in my mouth, and then you prized it off me. So my lesson here is, if you don't want a dog to. If you want a dog to want something, you must treat it with the certain level of novelty in order, you know, to create that excitement. So, you know, the toys, they should come out sporadically, not be left with the dog and create the same effect. So we throw it down, we play with it, we act like we really want it, and so on and so forth. And then your dog will want that toy, and then you can use it instead of having them all sprawled around the house. So you only need one toy. Use that toy correctly and. Yeah, there you go. That's my lesson on dog toys. So we've got Crate House Line.

I like that one because it's a true story. It's true.

Well, as far as my other stories

are all made up. Yeah, mostly. Especially if it's about me usually. But, yeah, that's true.

What else?

I just like harness and flexi. Get him out. See the world.

Yeah.

Or carry the little dude if he's not at his jabs. And that's the route you're going down.

Or do that.

Do that little.

Do they them?

Yeah.

All right.

There's people. I do. I do have. Like, I don't. Can I wear a tin hat for a minute? Yeah.

Okay.

Tin hats on for a moment. I don't routinely vaccinate my dogs. I do tire testing and whatever for personal reasons.

Personal, religious, ethical beliefs.

Yeah. But if you're going to do it, I get it. Fine. Your choice. But what people do do is not or don't do is take him out in that period. I think that hurts him a bit. So just get him. Put him in the jacket, carry him, let him see.

Oh, yeah, sure.

When people go, oh, cute puppy, and trying to touch him, obviously you clock them. You knock them out cold.

Yeah.

Then you ask him if they want

Josh from Canine Optima. Knock him the out.

Why don't you get one in on him? Throwing it out there. No, but on a serious note, like, I get Them out because you can miss especially. You know what, I've seen it happen a lot where people get. Well, the breeder gets them vaccinated with one creepy brand and then the person goes to their vet and they're like, oh, well, we don't have that brand so we're gonna have to start fresh.

You're not able to take your puppy out until like 15 weeks.

Yeah. And by then you've only got one

week left of the critical learning period. Word of the day. Words of the day.

Yeah. Yeah. So like I think if you're gonna go down that route, just get them out, carry them, don't put them down in high dog traffic areas or. It's water, isn't it? I think the other one with the, with the rat stuff.

Keep them dry low dog traffic areas and you'll be grand.

But do get them out, do let them see the world. Do fend people off if they get all creepy.

Yeah. I truly do believe one of the most dangerous things you can do with your dog is keep them cooped up in the house for that 8 to 12 week period where the vet tells you not to take them out. I think it's seriously dangerous. Jokes aside, if you don't know, you have a.

It can be navigated.

It's talked about extensively in the book, by the way. We'll put a link in the description if you want. The book. Yeah, we have. Yeah.

Nice.

You got 6 to 16 week period where you know your dog is. Your puppy's very impressionable at that period. You want to show them the world so it, it doesn't spook them essentially. So the, the, the. It's not really a metaphor. But the deer, as in a doe. A deer has a two hour critical learning window.

Good knowledge.

All it'll see really in that time. Yeah. Get up. Is its mum and its siblings, if it's got any. Right. And then therefore it closes and as a defense mechanism it becomes scare shitless and everything else. Which is good for it. Because it's a deer.

Except fireworks.

Yeah, that's true.

You know my thing with the.

Yeah. Anyway, lions, when we went to safari, they're pretty. So they, they, they have acclimatized to trucks.

Okay.

But they've not acclimatized to humans outside of trucks.

Yeah. Okay.

So they will get defensive and go into fight or flight if you leave the truck. But you could pull a truck up to a, a pride of lions, like.

Yeah. Maybe because you're not outside.

Well, no, they're open the safari trucks We've already shown the picture, but, yeah, they could climb in and just fuck you up. There's nothing. There's nothing stopping. There's nothing between you and these lions is crazy. Hence why I believe them to not be on the list. You know what? It's crazy. We've spoken about this on the previous podcast. But you know what is crazy? The socialization that they intentionally do with these lions is literally just like, oh, if they get a little bit nervous, we just park a threshold where their body relaxes, and then once that happens, we get a bit closer and we repeat that process until I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. We don't really need to be any more complicated than that, does it?

No.

It's like training a reactive dog or exposing a puppy to the world.

Yeah.

Circle back there. You know what I mean, though? They don't feed them, they don't do any obedience with them. They don't ask them to do anything. They just gradually take them closer to the thing until they relax.

Listen.

And if they, like. If they feel like they've got close enough that day, they then drive off.

Yeah, fair enough. Yeah.

But if they feel like they could push the boat out a little bit, they do. If the lion runs away the next day, they start a little bit further away and try and creep over that threshold. But they do creep over threshold. Anywho, Go on that question. Oh, nice. How do you balance exposure to things, sounds, etcetera, without tipping over into flooding? That's a good question, too. Go on, then.

I'm kind of opinionated on that too.

Go on, then.

Don't know how much people worry about flooding a lot. Yeah, I think with puppies. So your problem is if you get, like, an older, spicier dog and you stick in a situation that it finds too difficult, it might take an option that you can't then. I was gonna say fix. It's probably not the right word, but you can't intervene successfully, so the dog learns something solid from it. But, like, if I brought a puppy in here now, and he's been like, oh, my God, look at Susie and these tripods and J Rod, I could probably just sit here with him. He's not capable of emphatic reaction. And he'd probably go, oh, okay, and then he'd come over and sniff you, you'd probably pick him up and do that thing you do in the face. But all that. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know how much, like, what I don't Know what you're gonna flood them with? Unless you went somewhere pretty wild.

Yeah. With a puppy. I think the. You probably have a fear of. Of. Yeah. Doing too much. But I think it's. Unless you've got a fucked up dog, I don't think that's gonna happen. It might be more likely to happen with an older dog that maybe had

trauma, but I also think you're more likely to do the opposite. I've actually done this in fairness with Cora, wrapped her in cotton wool and she's. I wouldn't say suffering for it, but I have to be careful with her as an adult because of what I did when she was a puppy. Obviously that came from trauma and bullshit, but she was wrapped in cotton wool. I think it's worse. The outcome from doing that is way worse than had I just gone. Yeah. Look, do loads of shit. You might be a bit worried about it at the time, but you're gonna realize it's okay.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I. I do again truly think that most issues we see with dogs if. If not genetic, through wrapping them up in cotton wool as a puppy.

Yeah.

Treating them like they are made of glass and developing zero robustness.

Swinging to the book. I think there's a little bit about fear periods in there.

Yeah, there is.

Yeah. And it's like a normal thing. It's just where they're hypersensitive to stimuli. So that doesn't necessarily mean fearful creating. It's just like they have an amplified opinion of whatever the thing is. And like a lot of the stuff, if you read it in depth, it's like the biggest problem in the period is caused by the owner going, oh crap, they're a bit more sensitive. I won't let them see anything. I'll let them run away from things that they probably don't need to. But then they learn that their responses run away. Then you get into later life, you maybe can't run away. So then the dog goes, oh, okay, I'm front foot now.

Yeah.

So there's all sorts of stuff can come at the back of it usually

like facilitating by the owner.

Yeah.

That consequential.

And it comes from a place of empathy.

Yeah, for sure.

But it's probably just misunderstood empathy.

It's very easy to hyper focus on little things. If it's your first dog and then you read a bunch of shit on the Internet and you're like, oh my God, I'm going to ruin my dog forever because I'm going to force him through to walk through this puddle or whatever it is.

Yeah.

And then I had a very. We had a long chat with my mentorship group the other day talking about how, you know, people blame novel one off of trauma. Trauma events for their dog's behavior. But more often than not, it's just a lack of robustness through the.

Yeah.

The bubble wrapping of their puppy. Yeah. And then eventually, when life hits them, which it will do, it potentially actually does create trauma. That event. But that the dog has been traumatized, unlike a robust dog would be traumatized. That wasn't wrapped in cotton wool because of he's not being adequately exposed enough to stress. Right.

Yep.

So the point I made, which I kind of want to go back on very slightly, was, wow,

Are they gonna listen?

I don't know.

Listen, what I said before was.

Yeah. Not totally true.

All right, go on.

Well, I said, oh, it wasn't. The dog isn't reactive because it was traumatized because it was attacked another dog. It was. It was reactive because you've raised a ass dog.

Yeah, fine.

But the. The event may have been traumatizing, to be fair.

Yeah.

But it's only traumatizing because you raise a ass bitch of a dog.

Yeah.

Whereas, like, again, you know, a couple of my dogs are being chinned by other dogs, and they're not trauma'd by it. Bumble gets tuned all the time in it.

Yeah.

Part of the craft here, isn't it?

Yeah. You know, say all the time. That's totally true. But he's been chinned a number of times because he's a bit of a pecker, and he's just like, all right, I deserve that one. I was a bit of a pecker.

Yeah.

But he's pretty solid as Doug.

Yeah, for sure.

Fix that thing, isn't he?

Yeah, they're dense.

Yeah. He's particularly dense in the glute area.

Yeah. Anyway, go on, Link is the next question. I think we answered that one.

How to grip a pup that reacts anxiously barking on hind legs to other

dogs barking on hind legs anxiously. That's a weird response, isn't it?

That is an interesting one. I. I can't see that puppy being that young and good knowing.

Come on.

It's a little difficult. Well, obviously, it's difficult to know whether it's antisocial or social. Right.

Yeah. But because people assume the word anxiety just breaks me. It's the unknowing of the future. Your puppy hasn't even lived yet enough to be worried about what might happen in the future.

Yeah.

Like, do you Know what I mean?

Yeah.

That doesn't have anxiety. A toddler can have problems, I've no doubt about it, but we both probably

did when we were toddlers. Yeah, that's fine.

But anxiety is just thrown around a lot, isn't it?

A lot. It's just.

It just. It just takes any kind of negative connotations that your dog just might be being a bit of a knob away. So it's easy to just say, oh, yeah, he's anxious.

Yeah.

Anyway, the matter. Puppy's probably not anxious, especially if it's like, you know, it's behaving on two legs towards other things. And this isn't us coming at you particularly Mr. Or Mrs. Dog owner. Puppy Owner. But, yeah, it depends how old the puppy is.

Yeah.

Early doors. We just want to, you know, redirect and give the dog maybe something more constructive to do. Right. It really can be that simple.

Yep.

But if it's later on. Yeah. We want to make sure maybe that behavior isn't growing.

Yeah.

And by saying, hey, wind thy neck in.

Yeah. Doesn't have to be crazy, though, does it?

Nah, Nah.

Yeah.

Flank it. I'm joking.

Don't flank it.

Yeah, we need a little bit more context there.

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that is a little hard.

I'd like to see a video.

I would. I don't know what type of dog is. Just curiosity.

I'm picturing a Dalmatian right now.

What about you? I was pitching spaniel just because I saw similes, though.

All right.

Could be a spaniel planted himself into me. Because they'd like to do this as well. Yeah.

Like the dancing, but, yeah, your dog's probably not anxious.

I would hope he's not anxious or she's not anxious at this point. And usually I think at this point they're not. Nah, they're just a bit frosty that they can't go and see what they see.

I think immediately when you hear whining and leaking, you immediately associate to anxiety.

Yes, that's very true.

As soon as you hear anything that's like, immediately the human brain goes, oh, he's. He's got anxiety.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. No, you're right. Am I? Yeah.

All right. There you go.

Every week on boot camp, there'll be two to three people who got my dogs anxious because they're doing that. And I'm like, easy, though. Look at him. Like, yeah, he's fucking fine. And they are fine. They're good.

This is probably for another podcast, but, yeah. In terms of like treatment with behavioral issues. I think that all stems down to just one thing. But anyway.

Well, all right.

It gets deep. Deep and very existential and very, I don't know, philosophic even.

Nice.

Blessed. We'll do it another day. Puppies today, isn't it?

Yeah, it is.

So that, that's some incentive to tune in next time.

Unlikely. Your dog's super anxious. Could do with more details. Maybe go see someone, know some. It doesn't have to be us.

Could be anyone. Yeah, there's other people that know.

Yeah, they're the only two. Brad.

Brad knows.

But you know what?

Yeah. Turns out you need to know.

Go on.

How to stop signs of resource guarding over food in particular. Three months old, golden.

How to stop signs of resource garden over food in particular. Three month old, golden.

Golden what?

Retriever, probably.

All right.

As opposed to a golden. What else? Doodle.

Doodle.

All right, I got some points to make. I don't have a great answer, like a solution, but I got points to make.

Controversially, food is kind of the only thing. I'm like, yeah, I get it. Yeah, I get that. But I mean, like classically it would be if you're gonna continue with the bowl feeding, if that's what it is, if it's like a long term chewy thing that. Where it starts to get a little bit sticky, you could avoid giving them that. If it's the bowl thing, put part of it in the bowl, go past, add more to the bowl so they know they're going to take stuff away. But I'd be hand feeding anyway. Three months old.

Yeah. But one of the points I was going to make is a lot. I see a lot of dog trainers when resource guarding comes up, they go, oh yeah, yeah, hand feed. And I don't think that's the solution at all.

No, I don't think it's a solution. Circumvention.

Yeah. Nice. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. Well put. It is a circumvention, which sometimes is fine.

Yeah, yeah.

Sometimes if your dog attacks a hoover, just put him in a crate. Where do you. When you get the hoover out?

Or do I do. Don't hoover.

Yeah, or you can do that.

Sometimes you make it some build up dust and particles, but it's okay.

Yeah. I had a call with one of my mentees and he was asking me about, like, what do you do for dogs? That. And I give him like a 20 minute answer of step by step and he was like, out of interest, what do you do? I was like, I don't know, they go crazy in my house. It is like bedlam. The whole house vibrates. Dar jumps out the window. I'm throwing sausage dogs into the crate. I'm kicking Kobe back into the dog room. It is nuts. But it only happens like twice a week. And that twice a week is way less effort than going through the solution. I gave my mentee.

Yeah.

Over six dogs and I would class that as circumvention.

I got. I don't know about the bag yet, but I got out of the other five, there's only one. Like some of them I have to push out of the way with the hoover. It's like fucking reads.

It's just like doesn't care.

No, blue's the same all mine.

Attack it.

Delay. That's gotta be an associative thing, right? But then Bumble will go mental at it.

Or Stark doesn't care.

I don't if I've got the vac. He's okay.

Yeah. Nice. That's funny.

I don't know about Flea yet, but I can only assume from the apple catching incident that you're crazy.

No.

Yeah, I'll give it a test tonight maybe.

Anyway. Resource guarding golden retriever. Well, when people spot resource garden, they do a lot of things that end up making it worse by trying to fix it by giving that too much attention.

Yeah.

I've said this in the past, but there's a few of my dogs that could be resource guarders over food. I would just never know because I've not actively gone to test it. And by testing it, you might trigger something that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

Yeah.

So I think, you know, in fact, I'm certain I could go up to each one of my dogs, pick their food up if, you know, for whatever reason I had to.

Yeah.

But if I went and like actively tried to work on that.

Yeah.

I've only, you know, you might only have a few repetitions of working on it before you make something that will wasn't previously there. Do you know what I mean?

I know exactly.

So I might as well reserve those repetitions for emergency scenarios.

Yep.

I am very, very sure none of them are going to have an issue of me going near their food. Right.

Bumble does, but.

Yeah, fine, fine. But I think proact like trying to deal with it.

Yeah.

By putting hands in and out, taking bowl away and giving this is. You're going to make it worse.

So with Bumble, they both eat him when he's finished it. I can recall him away. I can go Pick his ball up, his bowl up and there's a little bit of like hesitancy, but he's not, he's fine with me picking it up. You can see there's a bit of weirdness by him. But like, why would I want to touch it whilst he's still got food in?

I don't know.

Because I would do the same thing if he came over or if he does come over to me, he has done in the past, he's like, oh, I'll. What about your. I'm like off century man is mine. Yeah, So I get it entirely with that. Obviously when it gets crazy is when dogs start resource guided tissues and whatever. But that's different.

Yeah, that's a different story. If the dog is resource guarding a something that has no contribution to their survival, you've just got an okay, I'm

gonna say it and you've probably created. Yeah, yeah, well done.

Yeah. You've got fundamental breakdown between you and your dog that he's gonna pick up a tissue and try to fuck you up over something he does not need. If the dog has been starved and you put in fingers in food and shit like that. Maybe a different story. But if your dog goes and picks up the TV remote, takes it under the table and says, come get it from me, I don't think you've got the healthiest relationship with your animal.

Okay, here's the thing then. So I've seen on the Insta Waffler where people like charities or rescues or whatever, they get the fake hand thing and they do like a bowl test to see if the dog can be adopted. I don't think that's fair.

No, it's not fair.

It's.

It's weird.

And I don't think that should be a criteria. Yeah, but even if it was, even if someone put a bite mitt on and did the same thing, I don't think it's fair.

Nah, just leave a man to his food bro in it because of. I can't think of a time and I'm trying to think back like how many times I had to like stop my dog from eating. Like the. Occasionally one of the dogs will go for one of the other dogs whose bowl is not theirs. You know what I mean?

Yeah, but that's a different thing anyway, isn't it? That's just like. No, it's not yours, mate. Yeah, but they're probably not at the point of resource guiding it because they're not at it yet. Yeah, because I don't know about You. But I have cohorts of where I feed them. So I've got three in. In one room because they're cool with each other. I've got a couple. Two separate.

Yeah. We just feed the sausages separate. And

I've never had a problem. I just don't want that, like. Bit like what you said a minute ago. I don't want there to be the possibility of a problem. Problem arising.

Isn't it just for the sake of, like, separating the dogs?

Yeah.

We've had inquiries in the past. It's like, oh, yeah, our dogs are fighting over food. And I'm just like, yeah, do that. Yeah, to a degree. I remember when, like, May was first knocking about and I fed Darla in the kitchen. She started lingering. Darla was in the kitchen eating her food and Martha was just, like, not. Not being socialized in the way that, like, she just. You didn't know that you can't just go up to another dog's food and eat.

Yeah.

Her up. Didn't hurt her, like, but it was.

No, but let her know that that's probably.

Yeah. And I didn't go, like, punish Darla.

No.

But at the same time, I could say to Darla, like, hey, leave that alone. That's not you. I don't know.

Yeah. If she went over to Martha's bowl,

you'd be like, don't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So fundamentally, don't make a big deal out of it.

Yeah, yeah.

Hand feeding done. Fix it, circumvent it.

Put the bowl in the crate, let the dog eat. Once he's finished eating, open the crate door. You'll probably want to leave. Pick the bowl up, put it away. You're probably likely to see less issues just doing that method. I think there's a massive genetic component to resource guarding. Like, a lot of shit.

Yeah.

And you can exasperate it. And those people that are like, oh, I could put my hand in and out and it doesn't matter.

That's.

That worked for you. Because your dog isn't a genetic. Like, try and do that with a working Malinois that is very highly propensiated to have a high possession drive. Or within two or three times of you doing that, it's gonna chew you up.

And a console with a barbell once.

Yeah.

And the trainer had said to stop him. Resource guarding. Take the bow off him whilst he's eating.

You do it. You fucking do it.

Do you know what actually happened? And this is shit. She didn't get up, like, entirely but the dog bit her in the face.

That is crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.

Yeah.

That is nuts.

Don't make a big deal out of it. And feeling circumvents it.

Yeah.

Probably not gonna have a huge problem.

I think fundamentally you can circumvent it until you build the appropriate relationship with that dog. Right. I, I think it is the case that a lot of day to day behavioral issues we see. I think about it in a very old school way now more than I've ever done in my years.

Here he goes.

They've just like. You just don't have basic authority over that dog.

No. Yeah, that's a good word.

But you need to have.

All right, well that's it in a week. Yeah.

Because with authority comes a lot of other byproducts.

Yeah. So there's like rust, sort of two versions if you like of Resource Garden.

Right.

There's the fear based. The fear, genuine fear of loss. Like you're going to take away my food. I'm going to die if you do that. All right, fine. And then there's kind of a competitive based resource guardian where it's like going in.

Yeah, but how often are you ever going to see in a pet dog the genuine fear of loss?

Ah, you don't.

Because if since eight weeks old, we fed them twice a day, four times a day, eight weeks old.

Yeah.

They never missed a meal.

No.

And even if they'd missed a day or two, they're not gonna go into starvation self preservation mode.

Yeah.

So you know that what a dog especially, they can't make believe up that hasn't yet happened. Like we can.

No. Yeah. You know, and forecast that. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

They can't forecast something that has not yet happened. Right.

Yeah.

And so if, if could we say like if you did have a puppy that started Resource Garden food, is it that genuine fear base? I might lose this.

I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying.

Oh yeah. I'm not saying it is or is not.

Yeah. There just could be two versions of.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, go on. Is that it?

I think that was it. Yeah. But like the competitive bit comes down to authority. You're not going to see that if you've got it.

Nah.

If you do see it, you probably need it a bit.

Yeah.

But it's just hard to claw it back later on, especially if you've got a spicy breed. Right.

It's really hard to claw it back if you've not installed it from a young age. Yeah, yeah. I Think once you. I think there is a degree of. With a particular type of dog of a particular disposition, if you've not installed a certain level of. Hey, mate. I think. I think what's happened in dog training is everyone got scared of saying, like, oh, you don't have to be the boss of your dog and you never have to dominate your dog. And like that. Yeah, that actually caused more harm than good.

Yeah.

I think even balance dog trainers, they. They started swerving away from that.

Yeah.

And it. And again, I'm not referring to tyranny.

No.

But if you and I did not have authority, and I can't remember which trainer said this, they said something like, yeah, you probably do want to be the boss of your dog because if you're not, someone's going to be and you really, like, don't want it to be the dog. I was like, yeah, fair enough.

Yeah, all right.

Yeah. Because if you or I were not in the position of authority in our house, there would be some dogs hurt, like seriously hurt. Yeah. And yeah, I think if you don't have authority of your dog, someone's got a will naturally step into that role and you don't want it to be the animal. No, I think that's fair enough to say. And I think, yeah, I think we're pussy and around it too much to try and fucking virtue signal and just fucking like. I think balance dog trainers are just too scared to say it how it is sometimes because of.

And people. Right. And people got all scared when the. The dominance theory was debunked, but it was debunked in a certain context anyway. And it's like no one ever said that dominance doesn't exist. No, we're not even calling dominance. But you need a level of authority and advocation, don't you? Yeah.

There's no way in shape or form. You can't deny that, like, hierarchy does exist in dogs. You just. You can just come just to my house and see how they operate and. Yep, you can. Do you know what the sausage dogs do? Right? Sofas that big. If a sauce. One of the sausage dogs is getting on the sofa and yeah, they jump up on the sofa. What you fucking do about it? They do this. They do a double jump. They first check who's up there.

Yeah.

Right. Then they jump up. Do you know why they check? Because if they jump on one of the big dogs, they might get up. And do you know what the double jump means? The other dog has authority over them. Right. Do you know when Darla's sleeping on the floor. Do you know what the sausage dogs do? They go around them. They have authority. Do you know what authority means? No one's gonna get killed.

Yeah, that's.

We don't have fighting because of authority.

Yeah.

If there was a lack of authority, we would have conflict.

Yeah. Nice.

And with conflict, there's trip to the vets and. And the reason that Stark and Kobe have an energy between them that I'm not comfortable with is because of there's a lack of authority established.

Never had the chance to properly figure it out.

Whereas that same level of energy is not present between Stark and Dala, Stark and Ranger, Stark and I. Right. There's just an atmosphere in the air between Stark and Kobe, and they can be around each other. Last night at Stark on Me here, Kobe was on the floor. Like, they can be around each other. Great. But there's in some context, just a level of energy that you can just feel it in the air and the posturing and how they look at each other. And that is because of. They have not. Now, unfortunately, I cannot let them establish authority because they would fucking kill each other. Right. They would end badly. Fortunately, though, I have authority over them both. And we don't kill each other because of. If one says the other, hey, what the fuck are you looking at? The other one would say, back, you motherfucker. And I can say, no, both of you. Yeah. I can metaphorically knock their heads together and say, you don't be a dick and you don't be a dick.

Yeah.

And I am able to do that because I have authority. Now, you might argue, well, that's fine. But be. I've only got one dog. Okay. But you have to then take that dog out in public.

Yeah.

Where it's going to be faced in certain situations where it doesn't need to establish or, you know, you, You. You've. We've seen dogs that go to daycare that are assholes and they have established authority over every other dog in that daycare.

Yeah.

And he's not a problem dog. Until a dog comes in and challenges authority, Then he starts fighting. Anyway, that's my two cents, mate.

So. Yeah, it was more than two cents. It's $4 worth.

99 cents. Yeah. I'm quite passionate about it. And actually, the more I live and learn about dogs and see them in, the more.

Actually, I think it's like. I wouldn't say easier, but like when you got a whole shed load of them all living together, you literally have to observe it.

Yeah. It is you're totally right. It is lies. Like, I don't know. It's like just living in their habitat. It's weird.

It's just.

And I. My dogs freely operate a lot, so I do see a lot of, like, organic behavior happening.

Yeah.

And I could watch them all day, every day. Just like how they get on with each other. They do the dynamics between each other and, like, how one will pick up a stick and then the. And I'll. But every single daily walk, I'm just learning lots from my dogs. And I think that you'll be the same. And it just gives you a crazy advantage being able to just see them. And then there are other dog trainers that have a multitude of dogs, but they segregate a lot. And they'll probably never get to experience

that level of like, maybe like with some necessary. I suppose. But.

Yeah, for sure.

Some. It's because they refuse to do certain things.

Yeah.

They refuse to say no.

Yeah.

In which case you don't get to give them as much liberty as maybe you could otherwise.

No, no, no, no. Exactly. Anyway, what was that question?

I don't think we answered it, though.

Fair enough. You got something answered.

Something got answered.

Puppy and older dog are rough housing, stealing each other's stuff when together. Stop.

Stuff.

Oh, would you stop it?

Yeah. So puppy and older dog are rough housing a lot and stealing each other's stuff. Stuff went together. Stop. Question mark.

Stop. Like that.

Should I stop it?

Postulation.

I think she's only a certain amount of characters. You can answer a question.

Okay.

Genealogy. Get the batteries. So you're necessarily shortening everything.

This is also an interesting one. It depends how measured your older dog is.

Right. Yeah.

So I let it happen a bit with. Because Rita's, like, as spicy as she used to be. Is actually pretty good with puppies.

Yeah. Weirdly, Darla's the same. Right. We'll fuck a dog up or, you know.

But with a puppy, you'll just say, that's a terrible idea in a doggy way.

Yeah.

So I've kind of let it pan out because I think it's a good life lesson for him. I don't know what stuff they have. Particularly that with that context was always toys. Yeah. And it was only ever, like if puppy tried to take her toy off her when she had the thing. Yeah.

Fair enough.

And it'd be like, all right, you license to just tell her to. That's a silly idea.

Yeah.

But if you've got an unmeasured older dog, then you'd probably have to stop it with the safety of the puppy.

Right, yeah.

Authority and all that.

Yeah. Kind of answered in the last question. The dogs will be able to spend more time with each other and have a more intimate relationship if you have the adequate level of authority. If you have no control over your older dog. Dog, you then have to limit how much opportunity they have to rehearse.

Yeah.

And jeopardize their relationship, I guess.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, it depends. You're not going to have a lot of authority over a puppy, are you? And that's where a lot of management does come in, of just, like not letting them continually cross the line.

Well, not even. Yeah. I mean, you can have the authority over them, but they've just not done enough learning yet. Nah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, don't give them a lot of. I see a lot of owners, when introducing the second dog, creating a lot of problems by just, I don't know, just like having the toys out and sharing furniture, going in the same crate and shit like that. Feeding them at the same time and. Yeah, they need to have time together. Of course, I think that's better done in, like, neutral grounds, though, just like the garden and on walks and shit like that. And then some free time in the house together and stuff. But then, you know, I think it's a good idea to segregate and let them live their own lives to a degree and. And referee and. And not allow the puppy to come and, like. And annoy the fuck out of your older dog, which it might be doing, you know.

Yeah.

So that, you know, they're all considerations to make.

It's a bit difficult to say because obviously what we would do necessarily isn't why I would tell someone else to do.

Yeah.

Which probably sounds a bit shit. But I would. I would watch Rita and I'd watch the puppy and I'd be like, this is going to be a measured learning lesson.

Yeah.

She's pestered her ear. She's bitten on her ear. She's bitten on her ear. She's going to tell her off. I know. It's not going to be like an absolute ass whooping. It's just going to be a Sunshine, you've stepped over the line.

Yeah. We got an example of, on film of Dolly and Darla. Pop them up over the screen. Now, here's a couple of life lessons you can see there. And it is super important because of. Our puppy needs to learn that dogs can have the potential. Other dogs can have the other potential to cause harm.

Yeah.

And that's good. You want to maybe have a little bit of hesitancy. But of course, genetically, you know, someone might listen to this and go like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna let my staffy dog absolutely smoke Cocker Spaniel Princess. And it takes it too far and it kills it. And then. And then they bring us up.

Yeah.

So you said every. Every advice we give out is. Has got to be user friendly. Right. So we know our dogs and we know we're not going to take it too far.

Yeah.

But again, I think it's an important life lesson for other dogs that actually. Dogs don't want to be like, jumped up all over.

Yeah.

Climbed on and stuff like that. Which will bring me to a point I would want to close with. So we'll see what questions we have.

All right.

Helping an older resident dog accept the new copy.

Yeah. Helping an older resident dog accept a new puppy is. Is going to be a lot of advocation for the. The older dog.

Yeah. If it's not capable of doing it itself in a measured way.

Yeah. You've got to step in and referee for sure.

Yeah.

You know, it's a big shift for your older dog and you. You got to put a lot of effort in to make sure that they, you know, you have a duty of care to. To. To your older dog more so than that puppy. Right.

Yeah. Nice. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, they're the one that's, you know, paid their dues in that. Don't let a puppy run in and start being a knob.

Yeah.

Jumping all over it and climbing over and going its food bowl and stuff like that. Because that's where the older dog does. Snap.

Yeah.

Go like. And I don't mean snap. I mean snap.

Snap.

And go like. You know, this life was way better without this little dog. And now I'm gonna kill it right now.

Look what happened.

Yeah. Your dog doesn't have a sense of morality like you do. No, it will just go. You know what? Life would be easier if that little one here anymore.

Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah, Good.

I don't know what else we got.

17 week amstack. 0 interest in food stories. How to get.

Oh, keep.

No, repeat the question and then say it.

Sorry.

17 week answer.

Yeah.

Zero interesting food stories. How to get SL. Keep his attention when out.

No, you repeat the question for these pair of idiots. Your point? Her saying it again. We heard it.

Me, I was still annoyed about it.

Steam coming out of your ears just like.

No, he. Okay. 17 week old Amstaff. Not interested in Food or toys, how to keep attention when out and about. I'm just not having it.

No, I'm not either. Yeah. Like, I don't just continue to agree with you because we're mates, but.

Yeah. But they. I mean, even if you take toys out of the equation, dude's gotta eat.

Yeah.

Has to. Dies if he doesn't.

Yeah.

Will he?

Yeah. This person's asking the question, like, since they've got the dog.

Dog.

The puppy has not eaten since they've picked it up.

I know. Yeah.

That's a way bigger problem.

Yeah. Which puppy?

Dead. What do I do?

Well, that might be. Explain the disinterested.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a lifeless day.

Right. That makes sense. What I imagine is more of the thing is freebie foods.

Yes.

And then going out and making context pretty difficult. And then the dog's going, no, I don't want this because all this is going on.

Yeah. If you're going to give the puppy whatever it wants when it wants in the house, it's not going to want it outside the house. Think about back to my toy anecdote.

Yeah. Perfect.

That's literally it.

That's literally it. But that applies to food also.

Yeah.

Food is even more up there because it's like it's necessary for survival. Like.

Yeah. If you, if you're not saying if you've got a puppy that isn't readily taking food, like it's. It's user error, unfortunately.

I suppose. Like make sure, make sure there's no medical thing. If you. If you're truly not eating it's actual meals of food, go to the vets and be like, my dog doesn't eat its meals of food.

Yeah.

Try not to get into the cycle of swapping food. And that's another telltale. So like, if it's interesting for a couple of days on a food and then go. Yeah. And then you cycle the food and it's interested and then it's. Yeah. It's not that it's not interested in food. You're just not maybe leveraging it correctly.

Yeah. Any more for any more flus. Oh, this is another question that was asked the other day. It was what age should I. Or could I introduce the E collar? I've got a long and short answer. Quick one.

Give us the short one.

Six months.

Yeah. But if you think of like a, like a. Working as an example, a six months. Basically fully grown. Yeah. Then isn't it?

Yeah. Basically a puppy's gonna have a pretty good recall up until a Certain point and then what you want to be ahead of the curve event, they're gonna get to a point where they're more externally drawn and they're gonna start fucking off basically. And that would be a good point to you to introduce it. That's typically around like five to eight months. It's gonna depend on dog to dog. But if you introduce the E collar then you use it proactively as opposed to reactively. Proactive uses are always way better than reactive abuse.

Yep. I had a similar question on the trainer course the other day. Answered it in a very similar way. My caveat was because people might hear that, oh, they're not interested in food the up for someone else because they're not, they've not leveraged it. You know, I get 16 weeks like the amstaff question just before that person might go, oh, I need an E col then. Yeah, no, you probably don't. Probably need some actual training.

Yeah.

First.

Yeah.

But yeah, you're totally right in terms of like.

Right.

Okay. Use it proactively rather than reactively.

Levels a little bit less any more for anymore restaurant.

Like teenage, seven months, six months Teenage.

Yeah. So yeah, if your puppy is over six months. No longer a puppy. Now you need to train your dog.

No, no, I've got a 24 month old puppy.

Hey, we had one the other day. 36 month old puppy. That ain't a puppy, that's a grown ass man. Right people?

Yeah, I think we've been through that

before, but yeah, yeah, yeah. We're only talking dogs under six months.

It's younger.

Yeah.

36 months. Isn't that hang. I'm terrible at maths, but I'm pretty sure that's three years.

If they had a human child, they'll still be breastfeeding at like 5, 6 years old, I can guarantee.

Yeah.

How old is he? 48 months. That's four years old. He should not be sucking on your milkers, right? No. Alrighty. Has he got to go now, is he? What for?

I don't know. Summonsed.

All right then you're heading to the golden of Acre. The Golden Acre.

The golden acreage.

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You've heard it before, but I'm gonna,

I'm gonna convince you why you should punish your puppy. Early doors with a couple of caveats. And I'll try and keep it brief and succinct. I'll tell another anecdotal story based on my dogs. I've got a four year old bull herder called Stark. He's a Malinois cross, but with a little bit of spice. They're going to breed some bull in there. She's a very tough, big dog. He's a titled dog. He's a protection dog. He's a formidable animal. Right? He's a, he does have a woofy.

Yeah.

Anyway, yeah, yeah, he's a pretty badass. Dog. I have another dog called Darla, who's a street dog from Romania. She's coming up to nine years old now. She's the complete opposite. She is very low startle response, very environmentally weak, wasn't socialized. There's genetic components there. I didn't do a great job either when I first got her. So very different dogs, right? And they live together, of course. I have six dogs. We're talking just about the two of these now. Now, when Stark was a puppy, given him being so extroverted, boisterous, strong, full of character, that meant he immediately took liberties, as he probably did with his litter mates, considering he was the biggest puppy there, or tried to take liberties with my older dogs. And when he tried to take liberties with Darla, she punished him. And it was super important that she installed that level of punishment over Stark at such a small a young age because of chances are he developed into a dog that was an unpunishable dog to her, Meaning that the level of intensity she would have had to bring about to him to achieve the desired effect of respect and hey, don't like climb all over me while I'm asleep, please. Would have had to have been probably so intense it would have required a trip to the vets. Right. Would have had to genuinely hurt him if she was at all capable. Bear in mind, he's got like 10 kilos on her. He's much stronger dog. He's very robust in every, every way. And so chances are she wouldn't have been able to punish him and he would have taken a lot of liberties as an older dog. And we see this happen with owners. They don't install any level of boundaries or teach a puppy, you're not allowed to bite me. That dog develops into a big, strong animal and passes the point of being punishable via that owner. And yeah, they never then bring about that sense of authority. So super important, Dala did imprint that level of punishment on him because of he grew into a dog, even to this day, has a very high level of respect for her, which means they can live happily. They're in the dog room together. They. They're never segregated. I never have to segregate them. They've never had an instant incident since at all. But if she had not done that at such a young age, they wouldn't have had that relationship. They would have had to have been separated. I would have had to have stepped in a little bit more like I do with Stark and Kobe, for example. And that should be the same said for you and your puppy. So if your puppy is biting you, you are well within your right to tell them. No, you're well within the right. You're right to tell them off for doing so, I think is a very sensible thing to do. I think the rhetoric to the contrary is actually damaging advice. Under one caveat with teething, mouthing, biting, whatever you want to call it, very natural behavior for a dog. I think it's probably in your best interest that you show them what they should be biting first through the means of play before you go and, like, say, hey, don't do that. It's not just about a. About the biting. It's about your relationship. It's about the authority that we've covered throughout this podcast. And I've been too afraid to say that in the past because of pushback for other trainers. I now don't give a what they think in any way, shape, or form. So here I am saying it.

Nice.

What do you reckon?

I think you're absolutely right.

Them.

Yeah, them.

Remember that one seminar we went to and the guy said, we won't name names?

No.

And we were kind of there, like, You know, he basically said, we're gonna have four days of training dogs now. I'm gonna show you how to fix a bunch of different problems, but if you want to avoid those problems, we won't do the accent. Take the puppy. They try and bite you, tell them they're not allowed to bite you, and you'll have a great dog for 12 years. And you're like, you probably will.

Yeah. Yeah, we will. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's probably the whole puppy podcast there.

Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah. So, yeah, fix it early. Yeah. There you go. Right. Cookie's got to go train some actual dogs.

Actual fuel. Yeah. Sound.

Oh, yeah. We'll wrap it up. Say, bye, Ian.

Bye, Ian.