From Match.com to Mindshare: JJ Virgin & Tim on Love, Legacy, and Building a Life That Heals the World
6 Oct 2025 · 60 min
JJ Virgin and Tim met on Match.com and built a life together that blends family, business, and charity work. They share how they protect their relationship through scheduled intimacy, scale health businesses via their Health Business Growth Collective, and use spiritual practices to stay aligned on their shared mission.
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All right, my friends, welcome to another episode of the date your wife podcast. So we have guests who have been on a world tour continuing to inspire the world. And one of our guests was on stage when I was trying to figure out who I was after being a banker. I sat in an event at a Brendon Burchard event, and this amazingly powerful fit woman came out on stage and started speaking about fitness and building businesses with Brendan. And I was inspired by her and everybody at that time because I was trying to find out who I was. And that was my famous time of running around barefoot with mala beads on. That was Danielle's favorite time.
You were a little lost.
I was quite lost. But I knew I was a millionaire messenger. And here we are. So we have. We have the. We have the Virgin Oregon experience here with us today. Is it, Is this what you guys actually named it? Did you say that?
We did. That was our wedding.
That was the wedding.
That was the wedding name.
Did he have like signs up for those?
Oh, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, we had voexperience.com.
Oh, no. It gets even better. Okay, so when we are working, this is an entrepreneurial concept you'll get when we're. You decide we're going to get married. And I'm like, all right, how do we write off our wedding?
Yeah.
And I go to my then accountant who says, you can absolutely not write off your wedding. And I said, okay, you're fired. And you know Garrett Gunderson. Yes, yes. So I'm like, garrett, I'm sure I can write off my wedding. He goes, yes, you can. I go, what if I made it a charity fundraiser? He goes, then it'll work. So we actually made it a whole thing. In fact, Brad, Brendan's mom, walked my chihuahua down the aisle, who was the bridesmaid. You know, the bridesmaid with an old dress. And we had a mastermind and we had a charity auction. We had all of these things. And we had a little wedding at one point of it. And that little wedding was not written off, obviously. It was weddings.
Yes. I love it.
You get a charity event out of your wedding.
You gotta know you're committed to the cause when you turn your wedding into a charity mastermind.
And by the way, we had to tell everybody to years in advance because these were the individuals that throw events and lock in hotel contract. So we had to give them enough time in order to, you know, have time for us.
Okay, so we're going to start with the fire question.
Tim, you didn't officially Introduce both of them.
Well, we did. It's the best introduction of all time. We have JJ and we have Tim.
You guys got the Virgin Oregon experience. Exactly.
The greatest intro ever. Nobody's had an intro like that. That was fantastic. Tim, who. Who saw who first?
I found her.
You found her?
Yes, but all sort of. Not really, no.
No, no, no, no. I found her on Match.
Well, but he had made it through. One of my girlfriends went through all of the people. I might have had a bad picker before. So my friends were about to do an intervention. So what I did instead was I wrote a very polarizing sales letter on Match. I did. It was very polarizing. I was getting eight DMs.
Oh, wow.
Oh, yeah. It was perfect. And so I narrowed it down to. There were only three. Three people that made all of the cuts that I might be interested in.
Did you have to apply?
Application only.
I just have to push send message and push then. But when I saw it, I thought to myself, I read this thing. I'm like, wow. Like, why me? And I stopped, I reframed, and I said, why not me?
Wow.
And I put that together, and that was the first.
So that was a. You. Had you known about her at all? Didn't know anything about her.
I knew nothing about her.
Just saw a match and a sales letter.
Just saw our match. Yeah.
That was the highest. That was a very powerful sales converting racist. Probably the most important sales.
I always think of myself as a copywriter, but I channeled, like, I channeled my inner. I'm trying to think of who's the best copywriter, but I really nailed it.
Your dad in Kennedy came right out.
Everybody. Everybody's like, can I see that one?
There's a program right there for women who are looking to find the right guy. Okay, so you pass the gate. I pass the gate and you send.
The message, a match.
Can you send it to each other?
Like, yeah, it was just DMs.
Okay, so you DM him. Okay, you get the DM and you think, what?
Well, I got on the phone with him. We had a phone call, and I kind of hazed him a bit. So my girlfriend had already chosen him. I'd gotten down to three. And she goes, that's the one. And I get on the phone with him. And so here's the reality. On his Match profile, it said that he didn't drink. And I thought, okay, he's probably an alcoholic. And, like, I do not want to date an alcoholic.
And.
And I grew up outside of the wine country in Northern California. And if I go out to a great restaurant, I want a great glass of wine. I don't want to deal with that. So I'm talking to him and I'm trying to figure out if he's an alcoholic, if what's the issue without asking him. And so I'm throwing these things out to him. I go, well, I can't meet you. This was in July. I'm talking to him. He's at the beach in San Diego playing beach volleyball on the phone with me. And I said, I can't see you until September because I am going to Burning Man. So there was a test, right? I figured if he was, you know, too straight laced, he would go, I.
Was a Mormon, okay?
So I didn't know. I just didn't know what he. So I. And then. And then I said, so either, you know, Burning man will scare him. And then I said, and then I'm going to throw a big event. And so I'm really busy. And I'm too busy till September. I will be through all of this. September 9th.
And you thought.
And I put in my calendar.
Ninth.
I'm just kidding.
How much time was that in between?
It was a couple months.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Were you talking at all during that time?
No.
No, not at all.
Nope.
Put it in the calendar.
Yeah.
No messages, no sliding in the DMs, nothing.
Nothing. Just like, okay, I just honored her wishes.
Okay, Got it.
Which is very important.
Like, were you thinking about her the whole time?
No.
No. You just ready to move on to your thing?
It was a calendar entry at that point.
Okay.
I mean, you know, it was great connection, great. Great talking to her. But I'm like, she's busy.
But to be fair, like, I was on Match off and on for 10 years. He was on Match for like a minute. He went on three dates. Granted, the two other dates were lame, but, I mean, after all of what I went through, I'm like, that's so unfair.
Yeah.
But the fact he called me September 9th was super impressive because it was right when I said I was available. And then when we make a date.
Okay, well, you're living in two different places. You're in San Diego. Where are you?
I was in Palm Springs.
In Palm Springs.
But I was planning to move. I just didn't know where I was going to move to. Was it going to be Florida? Was it going to be Northern California? I had no clue. I had a bunch of friends in San Diego, so that was on the table. I was just Looking. I was open, right? And so we make this date, and the morning of the date, it's in San Diego. The next day, I have to do a talk, and then I have to fly to Atlanta to do another talk. And I wake up and I'm sick. And I'm. You know that feeling? Oh, yeah. And we have the IV clinic coming. We're doing nebulizers, like, everything. And I'm like, I gotta bail on this date.
And this guy has put in his counter really committed.
This guy's gonna think I'm done with this. Like, forget it. So I tell him I can't do the date. And you.
I said, great. Well, let's. Let's find a new date.
No, you said, I want you on your A game.
Yes.
And I'm like, wow.
Wow.
And I had so much. You know, it's like, so many guys get so irritated over the littlest dumb things. So I was just waiting to get, like, him mad at me. And he was like, I want you on your A game. I go, great. So I was going to come back the next week for another event I was speaking at, and so we went out that night instead.
And was it. Obviously the waiting game was in your favor.
It was in my favor and actually gave me time to plan a date. You know, what that was going to be. So I, you know, when I was in that dating world, you know, I had different levels of, you know, whether it was going to be a beach, like, park date. That way I could get out.
Okay.
Like, I'm like, oh, like, time to leave. Gotta, you know, gotta go pick up my daughter.
Yeah.
And then, of course, there was the coffee. Right. So it was kind of a quick one. And then lunch was more of a commitment. And then dinner. Right. So I jumped right to dinner with her.
We skipped right past the beach.
You're like, I waited two and a half months.
I'm like, I'm going all in.
J.J. is like, I don't have time to go to the beach.
No, no, no. And she's not a real big beach fan either.
I actually not don't like sand at all. Not really.
Not in your feet.
It's in your. No.
Nope.
You took me to ice cream our first date. That was your version of coffee.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's how much money I had.
No, that was you testing the waters.
That was a little. Tested waters. Okay. So we go out on the first date.
Dinner date. Dinner date. On. On the beach. On the water. Like Pacific Coast Grill and Cardiff by the sea. If you're familiar with it. And knowing I had to, like, I had to do some research on her. And I found out that she wrote a book, the Virgin Diet.
Right.
So I went to Barnes and Noble, I bought the book.
And he skimmed.
I skimmed it. There was a lot of recipes in there. I'm not reading the recipes, but I got good enough knowledge that I showed up with some dark chocolate. Okay. Of course, the sugar free dark chocolate.
Yes.
And of course we met at the restaurant.
And we meet at the restaurant. I'm still sick. I, like, walk up to the bar where we're waiting for our table, have a coughing fit, drop my purse. Like, I just completely fall apart. He's picking everything up. He's getting me water. I'm like, oh, that was really sweet. He was great. Then we sat down and had dinner. And I thought, he's kind of fun, but he's really kind of a little rigid, a little straight for me. So, like, I decided. He asked me to go out then two nights later, and I said, can I bring friends? And he said, sure. So I brought my friends with me and I had them haze him. Yeah.
So let me tell you, there's a lot.
She went with, like, four women and you.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's, there's. But let me tell you, we're gonna start to drop into some of these very synchronicity type of situations. The first one was, I don't know why, but I end up buying four tickets to go see a band called the Theory Corporation. And they were playing at this local club in Solana beach called the Belly Up Tavern. And I don't know why I bought four tickets, but it was Saturday, and that's why I asked her. I'm like, hey, you want to go? And she goes, yeah, can I bring some friends? And sure enough, she has two friends that she wants to bring. A guy and a gal. And I'm like, well, there's a reason why I bought these four tickets. Didn't know it, you know, but this just continued to move this. This relationship along. It really a really fast pace. Because not only was it the two friends that hazed me at dinner, you know, really trying to understand, like, what I was about and who I was.
And what kind of questions were they.
Like, what was the hazing?
You know, we've done.
We've done some hazing of some people on the interview process or so they.
Were just trying to carve into me. Like, like, you know, she says, you're so straight, like, why is it. Why you this. And, you know, I was in corporate healthcare sales.
He just was quaffed when I met him, he was very buttoned up. Very buttoned up, very quaffed. And I'm like, he seemed very corporate, not entrepreneurial. And part of my profile was like, I didn't want to date civilians because entrepreneurs are different. And I. My first husband was a banker. He was a banker. He actually went and got into his MBA because he wanted to have a job from nine to five that had four weeks a year, paid vacation. This was his dream, his aspiration. I didn't know who I was at the time. I didn't understand what an entrepreneur was. There really weren't any female role models, and I was creating all these things, and it would. It just irritated him, drove him nuts. And so I was like, you know what? I'm never doing that again. Like, I am not going to date these civilians that don't understand. And when we met, actually, that was Sunday. Yeah, we. He passed through Saturday night, which ended up not just with those two friends, but more came and met him too. So we gang.
It was like.
Like the.
Like, the bus showed up. You know, it's like they all started.
You're just getting interviewed, right?
Like, they're like, bring it on.
Round three.
I'm like, bring it on. Like, I'm here.
Just bring it on.
But it gets worse. It gets worse. So at the time, I had been dating this guy, and he was this crazy drummer. Six, five, crazy drummer. And we were both speaking the next day at Mike Koenigs event.
Okay.
And he's like, what are you doing? The next day I go, well, I'm speaking. And goes, I'll meet you over there. Now this is a big test, right? So I'm like, going, all right, I'm backstage. I send the crazy drummer to go get him. I say, do not screw this up, because I think I like this guy. Don't mess it up. Go sit with him while I do this talk with Mike. And then when I came off stage, I came out to see him, and everyone's now trying to throw business cards for me to him, calling him Mr. Virgin, you know, all this stuff. And he's rolling with this, right? Which I'm so used to them getting upset that he's like, it's not phasing him whatsoever, which is amazing.
So you needed somebody like that in your life.
I was so. So the funniest thing is the first night at dinner, I still like one of the best lines of all time. I looked at him and I said, have you always been this good looking? It was a joke, right? And he goes, yes.
I love it.
Confidence.
And I went, I love it.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yes, I have, my entire life.
And I say, now he's better looking. So it's there.
So what's your experience stepping into this more hurricane style life with Burning Woman over here with her crew of Burning man friends?
It was so I was a renegade. I mean, growing up, I was a renegade, an entrepreneur as well. And I lost my parents when I was young, my dad when I was 10, my mom when I was 16. So, you know, I pretty much was, you know, managing things on my own. And fortunately I have my oldest brother who was my guardian and kind of walked me through, you know, as best he could. But I just dove into corporate healthcare. You know, I found safety there and. But I realized I was an entrepreneur inside of that, somewhat of a renegade rebel as well. And, you know, long story short, it just, you know, things just got a little turbulent in that industry over the last, you know, five, six years and it was time for me to step out. And, and what was really cool about it was, is that, you know, I had already, like, I was there, like, for me to go to Burning Man. I went there the next year. Like, she, she did it in 2015. I'm like, I'm all in. Like, you know, everything that's been thrown at me, I just realized it's like I was built for this, you know, it was not. There was not a question of, you know, what if. But no, he was right there with the costume. Like, I'm all in. Yeah.
Yeah, it's awesome.
I would say that's how like you and I are. He's the one that was like, we're doing this. And I'm like, okay.
Yeah.
Like, I don't really. He's like the initiator. I'm like. But I'm like the open minded one. Like, all right, let's give it a try.
Yeah.
Except for psychedelics.
Yeah, I haven't done those. Haven't been there.
I haven't tried that yet.
He went along with them.
Yeah.
Yeah. What was your experience? Just like psychedelics. You like it?
Yeah, I mean, of course. It certainly helped me with a lot of trauma that I had to really help me, you know, really bring some things together and make me more coherent and make me more, you know, focused and really thank the past. Right. Because I look at the things that happened to me in the past. It happened for a Reason.
Right.
So, you know, I would never have met her if, in fact, that didn't happen in my life. So, you know, I look back on and just give it. You know, I just bless it and say thank you.
What was the. So, coming from previous relationships where you have children, what was the thing you were looking for that was, like, either the opposite or did, like. What did you learn from the first situation that led you to this? Because this is becoming more and more. I think probably half of our guests on the show is the second relationship.
It's our second relationship.
Our second job was married, too, and divorced, so it's our second relationship, too. Well, my. Her first. Our second. My second. So it was definitely things I was looking for. I was very young when it happened. We got married to 22, divorced at, like, 23 and a half. I was like, yes, 18 months. It was like. It was like, kind of a thing. We got my son from it, which is amazing. But, like, you had almost two decades of being married.
Yeah. What.
What. What shifted for you? Like, what did you see about yourself as a man that became different as you're obviously bringing JJ into your world? I don't know what your previous, like, wife was like at all. We don't talk about that so much as, like, what. You. What shifted in you from that relationship to who you are now?
I. One of the most amazing things is that when I met her, I felt this energy about her, this vibration about her. That. The way that she lifts people up, I'm like, that is infectious. Right? To. To be able to, you know, to be able to step into her world and to be able to be foundational for her, you know, that. That was something I was looking for. I was looking for somebody I can grow with. And, you know, I was on a path that was very destructive, and I wasn't growing in that world. You know, I was just trying to keep myself together. And, you know, I realized that I needed to do something in my life to not only, you know, bring inner strength into myself, but also, you know, provide to my kids, like, who I am and what I stand for in this world. And, you know, being able to be with her on this journey has been one of the most incredible experiences of my life. And it's almost 10 years now that we met, and it just seems like it was less. Less than one year or a hundred years? Yeah, it's both. Yeah.
In a good way.
Yeah.
Does it feel like. Do you feel like a lot like a piece of you now is available with jj that was not available to you in the first.
Yeah, I was very shut down. And it's just like, everything opened up right to what's possible. It was never like that, you know, just because of the challenges I had, you know, growing up and the security I was looking for. And it was just. It's interesting how you can turn inside of yourself and how you can live in that world and how you make things up. But then when you open up, it just becomes something that, you know, new people step in, new experiences step in, new new opportunities step in. And, you know, it changed me from, you know, being transactional to transformational.
Wow. When did you feel the spark with her? When did you, like, feel the thing.
Where you're like, Day three, our third day. Day three, Third day. We ended up. After the event, we ended up going to San Diego, near the park area, Balboa Park. And we were just walking around. It was a great little day. It was, like, misty. And we just were just talking and talking and walking and got to this fountain and had our first kiss. And the sparks just. It just hit me, and I'm like, okay, well, let's go get some lunch. And we walked into this restaurant there, and we sat down, and I just had this big smile on my face. And she basically asked me. She says, what are you looking for? I stopped. I looked at her, and I said, you. And she says, let me tell you about me.
And I did everything in my power to scare him.
Oh, no.
I told him how much I work, that he's gonna go places and get called Mr. Virgin. People will throw cards at him. People like, you know, and he's like, it's not working.
I mean, I told her, I said, the more you throw at me, the closer I get to you. I said, just bring it on.
So in this. When did it. When did the. I mean, I don't know if the testing ever ends with you women. Testing is a permanent God gift forever. When did it. When did it turn from hazing testing to, okay, this is.
This is.
This is my guy.
So I forget what this is called. There's something in relationships, I think it's like, there's the avoidant, and there's. There's different types, and. And we were both the type that was the runner, you know, the runaway bride type. So if stuff didn't go well, I'm out. I'm, like, out of there. And I remember. I was. I remember where I was, because I was in New York in a hotel stairwell on the phone, and we got in A fight. Talking to you.
Yeah.
And we got in a fight and we'd never, like, we've, we've, we've. We just never. Two or three. We just never fight. And I mean, it wasn't like, it wasn't like a big fight, but it was a fight. And I remember thinking at the time, I'm like, that's it, that's it. And I start thinking through, like, what life is going to be without him. And I'm like, oh, no, you know, wait, I don't want that to be it. Like, it's the first time that I actually stopped myself from just pulling a runner. I'm like, I do not want to run. And that was, it was, it was then that I was like, okay, this is, this is it.
Yeah.
What is being, being in relationship with Tim? Like, what is it? What does it evolve for you? Like, having been like, as, as a woman in. As high powered you are in what you do. And then also having had past relationships and had experiences that obviously weren't that great at times. Now you have this other guy that, this man that shows up that's seemingly different than a lot of the guys that you've dated in the past and been with. What. What have you noticed opening up for you? You've become crazy and said, let's go, fuck it. We're going to Burnie man. Like, what's. What shifted for you?
I have never been able to be fully everything I want to be. Like, totally turn the lights up full blast, go full on with power. Say, these are the things that I want to go after and have someone go, awesome. Literally. I had an ABC primetime pilot, and the morning I showed up, I was the star of this. The morning I showed up to tape the first episode, and I've got hair and makeup going on. They have the 3.3ABCs there, the production company's there, everybody's there. You know, there's camera crews, there's. It's craziness. And my then boyfriend texts me and breaks up with me. This is the kind of stuff I'd gone through is this kind of garbage. And so I'd never been able to tell someone. I'm like, this is what I'd love to do, or this is going to happen and have them go, great, maybe even more. Right. It makes you feel so absolutely safe and secure. Like, I can't think of a time. I'm an adopted kid. I never felt safe and secure ever in my life. It was always me. I always had to take care of myself. Which is why I probably always just did a runner. I was like, well, I can always leave. Right. It's like the first time that I don't feel that ever. That I actually feel completely cared for, loved, safe and secure.
That you can be like, all of you.
All of me. And it's like. It just. It used to be whenever I'd let a little of that stuff out, I'd get in trouble.
Like, it was too much.
It was too much. I'd get. They'd get mad, they'd get upset, they try to sabotage it. I mean, literally sabotage stuff. And, you know, and so it took a while to trust that.
Yeah.
Because I kept thinking, I kept waiting to get. To get in trouble, you know, like.
Don'T dream too big.
Yeah. Or just. Or you're not gonna. Well, don't overshadow me. Right.
Yeah.
So how long do you think it took before you. It actually became like a truth for you? Like not just a witness of something, but something that you were like, wow, this is it. I can actually relax into this. It's not going to go away.
I mean, it took years. Like, it took. It wasn't till maybe a couple years ago. It's taken because even though he showed me every single day the way that he was, that this was the way it is, he. You still have PTSD from all of the times because it was never a situation where it was absolutely okay ever. So, you know, it's been the last couple years that I just don't even think about it anymore.
I think too, for producing women, it's in your back of your mind. You're like, well, I can produce and go do this with somebody else, you know, versus being in a relationship where you feel like you kind of like have. You're like stuck in that relationship.
I mean, don't you feel like. And I used to think that I was just undateable because. And especially, you know, men in their 20s and 30s, I think, want to be the savior. And like. And I never needed rescuing, Like, I never needed saving. I could totally take care of myself. And it just wasn't a very attractive trait, you know. And so they try to get you in a situation where you needed them. And I'm like, I don't need you. I didn't want you. Isn't it better for me to want you than need you?
Yeah. You know, I don't know if that's possible for 20 and 30 year olds to even conceive of as a guy, because it's a complete. I Want to feel like I'm saving the damsel in distress especially so many guys repeat relationships after divorce and they end up saving another girl and then it goes sideways and say we have friends.
So many friends. Trying to be the savior.
Yeah. What one question for you, jj, on this, which has been issue because a lot of women, I've gotten a chance. We've gotten a chance to hang out with and spend time with single women, married women who have been down the path of producing at a high level.
Yeah.
There's a. There's an energy of masculinity that's required in that to just survive in it. Right. Because it's intense. There's a lot of heat. You're going to take a lot of shit, it's going to come at you and you learn to get the shields and the swords going. As you've been able to settle in to trusting this has that allowed you to soften up for you at times when you want to versus happening?
Yeah. And people have noticed it. Yeah, it absolutely has. And I think what's also cool is someone said something. Remember Robbie Richmond said that like, you know, she must wear the pants in the relationship. I'm like, you have no clue what you're talking about. Like, he is so. Because he's so strong and secure and confident, it let me relax. Right, Right. Because I was testing it. If he'd folded there, I would have pushed right through him. I think of early on, I. My very first serious boyfriend was actually a Navy fighter pilot. And I just pushed and pushed and pushed till he caved, you know, And I think that's what strong women will do. We want to see the guy that's going to go, nope, I got you.
Yeah.
Was as she's pushing. Were there times you wanted to break?
No.
You were just selling?
No, it was always more foundational, you know, understanding. I'm hearing this and I'm like, okay, build a stronger foundation. You know, I had. Came up with this concept, this rocket launcher.
Right.
That, that, you know, as a rocket you need a solid foundation. And she did never had that solid foundation. So she never had a. The opportunity to really, you know, shoot, shoot, you know, go have the moonshot. And I realized, I'm like, this is. This is part of my. This is part of my role here is to, you know, give a solid foundation to this amazing woman who's changing the world, you know, the world of health. And it was so natural for me just to continue to be more foundational, but also be able to be my Own person. Right. I wasn't the person in the, in the back office. You know, it was really about me doing that as well as coming out and you know, being my own thing and being my own person and not, you know, being JJ's husband.
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
And it wasn't never about overshadowing or being jealous of her. It was just about me just stepping into it and you know, feeling what was right and saying, yeah, go that direction and go. And if it felt right, just continue to go.
Example would be like we just did our big event and I love event design, so I design the event and speakers and all that. But I know nothing about like what it's going to look like or what the expo hall or any of this kind of stuff. I show up. He has done all of this, this thing looks amazing. He has created this expo hall that people are like shocked the way the led all that stuff. That's just incredible. And I didn't even actually think about it. I just knew they need to worry about it because he had it.
Yeah.
When did you guys start working together?
Well, so my ex husband ended up working with me. So I married a medical malpractice trial attorney. Nicest guy you will ever meet. Definitely shouldn't have been a med mal trial attorney, but the family here in Miami, they were either doctors or lawyers. That's what you had to be. And he should have been a pediatrician. He's the kind of sweetest guy. And so he literally got in trouble as a med mal trial attorney because he saw a case going the wrong way and these people being treated poorly and he like told them, you know, I just like can't do that. Right. You can't be on the other side telling them what's going wrong. So, so what was the question? Why was I bringing up when did.
You guys start working together?
So I was, we'd moved to Palm Springs and he was going to pass the bar, which he's a photographic memory but somehow can't pass the bar because he doesn't want to do it. And so I decide to open a gym and he is now going to help me with this. If I could have fired him, I would have. It's just not in his nature, you know. And so it was such a nightmare and it wasn't working. And that's when I was like, I will never work with my partner again. Thinking it was the situation, not the person. It just wasn't the right fit. Right. And so during the pandemic, well, the funny part Is. Is when I meet him, he's working for a company that is the biggest E prescribing network in the world. Now, he's sold over half a billion dollars in medical sales over the years. So he's working for basically the devil in my mind, right? Coming from Integrative Health. And so now we're going into the pandemic, and we have to move our entire thing. Remember this, virtually. And with all these hotel contracts, all this craziness. But now we have to do sales differently than we've ever done it, because sales in person is very different than all this online stuff. And so I pull him in to help. And as we're doing this, he is crazy rushing it. He's now got this team. Everyone's doing this. It's like we actually have our best event ever. And I go, gosh, I really need to find someone like you to do this. He's like.
He's like, well, he's like, I can do it.
Don't, like, write me off. And then we started to think of, well, maybe we could do this. So I'm just watching this, and I'm like, going, well, maybe this will work. But every time he would go to leave the company, he'd close some big deal, and he'd have to wait three months to. To get paid out on the deal. It's, like, ridiculous. So we kept going, all right, well, in three months she'll quit, and then you close another deal. And this kept going and going and going. And then the. It came down to January, I think they were requiring everyone in that company got vaccinated.
Got it.
And, you know, none of us got vaccinated. We are not getting vaccinated. And he was like, I'm not going to get vaccinated. And gave them the reasons why. And they were like, you have to get vaccinated. So that's how we ended up quitting. Based on that.
Yeah. Gave you a good reason to bail.
It gave me a good reason. But I think what we realized is that from the moment we met, we've been working together, right? Whether it was the house that we bought and the remodel that we did. You know, I was managing the entire project, right, While she was, you know, doing things that she was doing. Also helping, right? So we were. She was picking out the. The designs and the things. And so it was, you know, it was this synchronicity that we had this. This just this beautiful energy that we could just work with one another and just find our lanes right there. Was hardly any clashing. It was clear, like, I'm talking with the construction guys. Right, Right. Well, maybe she's like figuring out, hey, what about this bathroom? And you know, how would these. How would this aesthetically look? Look great, right? So it was this great combination.
Did you ever have to like, define the roles or.
Never did. We just stepped into it. It was just like, it was such a natural fit.
And not in business, like, in what we do in the company. Well, here's what's funny. We were on a trip to Bali a couple summers ago, and the morning we were waking up to fly back home, I get the email from like my right hand person who was our coo, saying, giving us two weeks notice. Shoot. You know, now you're traveling all the.
Way back from, from thinking about it the whole time thinking about it.
And so we get to Seattle, we go to sleep, I wake up in the morning. He has been up all night. And now he wants to talk to me about the org chart. And I'm like, you got to get me some coffee before you talk to me about any of this. Because at the time he'd started working with us, but I think he. You were doing like sales.
Yeah, I was. Business development. Yeah. Sales exhibitors.
And so now we've got this, you know, the COO's gone, events coming up, and he's redesigned the org chart where I think I was COO CEO. Now visionaries are not good CEOs, they're terrible, right? So I'm now CEO, he's president. And I'm looking at all this and I go, this is a terrible idea. And he's thinking, it's a terrible idea to put him in his president. I go, no, it's a terrible idea that we're just, let's just be co CEOs. Sneaky, sneaky thing I was doing. So we are co CEOs for maybe, I don't know, a month, right? And then we're at a mastermind retreat and I announced to everybody that this is our new CEO. I got out of the way and literally people are like, he's the best person I've ever worked for. I will tell you. 40 years, I've. I've had one job. I got fired in three months. I've always had my own businesses and never once has someone told me that I'm the best person they've ever worked for. Ever. Never.
Wow.
No. It's like stepping into chaos. Him, they're like, he's calm, he's. He's structured it's like, perfect.
So the whole time. The whole time I'm staying over there.
Yeah.
We have like the. The opposite. The reason we have role problem is because our talents, like, cross up so much.
Yeah.
So our skill sets and speaking and marketing and sales and like all of our front side frontside reign is like always so similar. She has her way of doing it, I have my way of doing it. And it's been. We've had to constantly surround ourselves with people because, like, even, like, even our friend that Jacqueline. Jacqueline Elliott or Andy and Jacqueline, like, Jacqueline's like the operator.
Yeah. I'm not.
Andy's like the front side psycho who just does his thing and I'm like, babe, why don't you be the.
Interesting is you can't do that.
Yeah, my brain is a cat.
Why don't you turn into a dog?
What's wrong with you?
Bark.
That was our war forever, though. Like, we. We sit in this place, we're like, okay.
We're always in awe when couples can work together. Like, how do you do that?
Listen, you guys, I'm like, we. I mean, we've been. She was 18 when I met her. I was 25. Had a son. We have gone through every stage of the game together, like, and somehow interconnect enough to make it. We do so 24 years later.
So many areas we just can't work together.
But maybe, maybe there's hope. Maybe there's hope that's coming. I just like, you know, hey, if we keep going, I'm 49, you know, maybe by the time I'm 55, we'll figure it out. I'll be immovable like the granite over here. And I'll be more calm and collected in my eyes.
Be shocked.
This is why I brought in my first business partner who is Jeff. And Jeff is 10.
You know Mike Koenigs, right?
Yes.
So Mike and I decide we're going to do a business together, and we're still waiting for who's going to actually do the work. Right. We have all these great ideas and.
We'Re going to map this and map this and. Well, that's the problem. We get into brainstorm sessions too, and I'll be like, yeah, I have to try to be the more detailed one. But it's like everything in my bones. I just, like, can't focus. Turn off all creativity, only be in logic.
I just think that's a terrible.
I don't know how to do it.
Put a visionary.
Oh, it's not good.
You guys can envision for each other and then have. Have those people that love that, like, we should only be doing what we love, that we're amazing at and nothing else.
Yeah.
I have. I have attempted to be the CEO. Yeah. It's not.
I have tried to hire him several times to be the CEO.
I'm like, I'm already failing to see over here, you're buying a bad product. Why are you. Why are you choosing? How about you just. We don't do either of that. Let's just go out.
I know.
So you guys, we're. We're pivot conversational there. So part of this part is when and I asked this question, people were up and they're doing a lot and they're going a lot. There's a lot of pressure. Comes a lot of stress with the creativity, the pressure of the event. Like, you guys just finished, like, her huge event. She has an event this week, I have an event. It's like there's just a pressure cooker that comes with it. How do you two keep with the logical and the visionary of creative business? How do you keep the physical sexual passion and intimacy with you two like a part of the game without it getting fizzled out? Because the boundaries can be crossed constantly. Every time can be business. Every place can be business. Every place can be on dinner.
And he's like, we're not going to talk about the kids or business. And like, five minutes into, I'm like.
What are you going to talk about?
Yeah, literally, I'm like, shoot.
We're talking about.
So how do.
What do you.
What have you guys found has worked for you two to keep that. That spark alive with the fact that you're traveling so much, you're doing so much. I asked this of a couple, like a very powerful couple here locally. And I just asked him, I said, how do you do that?
And he just goes, I think we do really well.
We do. Yeah.
So that we have a couple. We have a ground rule thing that will catch each other. It's like, don't talk about business in bed at night. Like, don't do that. That's just like a. Don't do that. Yeah. So, you know, that's a good rule. I mean, it's. And we are 95% on that.
Yeah.
So we don't do that. Here's the thing with travel. Like, we can look at our schedule and know, okay, it's not going to happen for a couple days because all these things are happening. Like, when we're having our event, you know, you're getting up at 6am for hair and makeup. You come back to the room at like 10:30 at night. It's not happening. It's not happening. But then we look and we go, okay, when is it happening? Like we just went and did our event in Arizona. Well, we went to the Boulders a few days before. Before. So we just plan stuff all the way along, both at home and when we're traveling. We find those times and we block it out. Just like you would block out, like working out. You've got to do that. I mean, it doesn't sound romantic, but actually I think structure creates freedom and.
It makes it romantic. I agree with that. I think with everything we going on, I'm like, it's not. It's romantic, but you got to plan.
It out or it's not going to happen.
Yeah. You're like, there's a window and then there's not a window.
Yeah.
We cleared it on this show with 30 day sessions. Sex challenge.
Oh, that didn't work at all.
We went three days, 30 days every day.
Yeah.
And then we realized that was her idea.
She committed to on the show.
And I was like, I think we made it three days.
The sex therapist on, I can't remember. I remember, I think.
Did the sex therapist think that was a good idea?
No.
I mean, I would have thought. I thought her plan was good. I was pumped. I was like, sure, yeah. I'm not turning that down. That's fantastic. But then like kids in life and business happen. I think it was like the fourth night or fourth day and it was.
Like 10 too much sacrifice at night.
And I'm like, But then it also.
And that's not fun. Really. Yeah.
I gotta check the box.
Exactly.
Yeah.
We actually.
With the.
The reason why I ask is in our. In my world, with the guys that I lead, we get a ton of very successful in the kind of programs, but the number of men. We actually have a whole group of 60 churches that we're taking Warrior out to. And so the pastors are coming on board now. And.
It'S.
It's shocking, the dysfunction in sexuality in marriage. Particularly when you have one or both who are very high performers, they're doing big things a lot. And everybody from the outside assumes one thing, but what's going on the inside and we've had so much data on it to support it too. That's just irrefutable. At least the men that come to us in frustration when being able to connect in that place and be able to have it Even if it's scheduled where, like, question for you. Both because. Yeah, to YouTube.
Both.
Because the common theme is when guys are trying to have the conversation about it, there is so much friction in the conversation with the woman, like, because of the way things have been. And maybe that's not been the case for you too, because you kind of came in hazing out of the gate, and so things are probably pretty open, but maybe even around your girlfriends or around what you've seen for yourself in the past, like, what. What is it that guys are doing wrong? And maybe Timmy can speak this way for. Maybe things were different before. I don't know. Maybe they weren't. Because things are super different for us years ago, like, who we are now as a couple, sexually, intimately, in our communication, radically different than what we were even five years ago. But what is it that, like, that collision factor of trying to have that conversation without it turning into explosion. Like, it's. It's a. It's a tough one. So I'm gonna have you share and I bring these topics up because these are no, like, we're in a place where he's not. He's immovable now. He's a king. He's doing his thing. I'm becoming like, 9%, Tim. I'm 9%.
You've been a little more stable.
So how does. How does a man in marriage approach the subject of trying to even do something? Like, you're talking about, like, trying to block out time. You guys seem like you gotta lock down, so I'm gonna have you share, like, more on that.
But no, what I'll notice with you is, like, you'll get, like, you'll get kind of like, have tension and this. And I'm like, then you need to create space. You know, Like, I like that you were just saying, like, we have to look at the schedule and find, like, little windows. Because I think sometimes I'm like, well, it's been. It's been five days. Because you had this mastermind. You had this. You got home at 8 o', clock, you got home at 10 o'. Clock. We had toddlers running around. Like, it's just. It didn't happen. And so for me, like, I don't know how to answer this question other than to say, like, you. You have to be accountable for looking at what. What does your week look like? And maybe that's why it went five days or whatever.
So create the schedule, the space. How. Talk through how you guys look at that. Like, when you're creating the space, you look at how busy you are and where you're going. Like, is this a collaborative conversation? Is this an individual? Does Tim just bring it on the org chart? Ready to go? Like, here is our.
She is.
I'm in charge of this one. However, we always seem to kind of have a. There's been those a couple times where I was like, aren't we doing this tonight? And you're like, never said anything, but for the most part, we're pretty much in sync. Like, we look at the counter and it's very clear this is going to fit in perfectly. We just make sure a couple times a week it's somehow in the schedule.
And also we, you know, we define what the night's going to be.
Oh, yeah, we have king knights or king, queen knights. Yes.
So tell me about that. Tell me about that.
So the king is just, you know me. Right. Because, you know, we're both in it together, but the king and the queen is both of us. Right. So. But it's.
I like that verbiage better.
Yeah. This is. Well, no one wants a cranky guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one wants.
Yeah, I get a little cranky. And she's like, okay, it's like a king night.
Yeah.
And I'm like, you're like, you need this. And here you go.
But not for me. But, you know, then we're. Hey, we're going to look at Sunday, and this is going to be the key.
What you just described, though, like, because. No, we had this conversation on a podcast, like, a couple times ago, and I was like, babe, if I'm not in the mood, why can't you just accept it as a gift? Like, I don't need it. And he's like, I don't know. Because I need to call it a king night. That's what I need to call it.
It's a king night.
We were trying to find the verb.
We couldn't find language.
I call it a quickie. And he's like, I don't like it.
Yeah, no, it's because it's not necessarily a quickie.
Yeah.
It's just. I don't care. I'm tired.
It's just. It's just gonna, like, you know, women are not the same as men. I'm sure you feel yourself like, it's way easier for a guy. We got all the stuff that we.
Yeah.
And if we're not in the mood, we are going to be thinking about all these other things.
And it's like, now we know, we call it a king night.
I will receive this. I will. That's a whole lot better than, oh, baby, you need a quickie. If you just say you look like you need a king night.
Yeah.
I'm gonna feel like a champion. I'll be like, yes. Yes, I am.
If, Danielle, you can take it a step further and just throw a king card right on his side of the bed.
I like it.
I'm gonna just say anything.
Have you done that?
Yeah.
You throw on the card.
Yeah.
Because then it's like, you're the one.
That'S like, a lingerie.
Yeah, lingerie. And the card.
The king queen buys all this lingerie. I'm like, if you want me to put lingerie on, throw it on that side of the bed. I won't think about it. Yeah, yeah.
You know, this is another great move.
It's another great move.
And then. And then it. Like, this took forever. Like, this actually just. Just happened. So 10 years later, he's like, did you bring any lingerie with you? And I go, you know, I have. You know, because we travel all the time. We have suitcases that are always packed. Right. With all the toiletries and everything else and dupes of everything. So I was like, I'll just keep lingerie in the suitcase.
Yeah.
So that everything. It's like, I'm bringing my special pillow. I can bring some luxury.
Yes. See, there's.
There was, like, one time I didn't bring laundry, and he's like, you didn't bring it? And I was like, I'm sorry, I forgot. Like, I didn't really.
I was super bummed.
That's mandatory on a vacation without you.
I was super bummed. I was like, how'd that happen?
Well, they have stores.
I know where we were at, though. I think we were the Caribbean somewhere. The island. I think we were on Angua.
Something.
Oh, Angola.
Angua was like, nothing.
Yeah.
I can't imagine the type of lingerie we'd get in Anguilla. Yeah. We went off from. I just don't know if I'm interested in going to the Anguilla.
Right.
You know, lingerie shop might work out.
Only on the French islands.
Exactly. On the French islands. For sure.
Thousand dollars.
Exactly.
All your guys now. The king email.
No, I actually really like that. Because you're like, the card.
Because your guys are, like, so irritated about it. I'm like, girls are not always in the mood.
No, they're not. We do not need it as often as guys do.
Listen, at the end of the day, we win all the time.
Yeah.
Right.
For sure. That's why I'm winning.
I'm winning. I'm winning like always. Doesn't matter whether it's king or king, queen, queen. Like there's always a king involved.
What, what do you, what, as a queen, how often do you feel like you as a woman, need it or want it?
At least once a week. Okay. Sometimes two.
Sometimes two. And what about you?
Crazy.
And what about you?
Three times a week.
Three? Yeah, I'm probably good at like three too.
I think that's like that far off.
No, I think it's. I don't know. I. I think that's why the 38 challenge is a little crazy. We were like, that was, that was.
Like maybe when you're 20.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, really? I mean, I'm. I got some extra testosterone going, but even then I was like, I'm not sure. I'm just pull it off.
That's like, that's a.
So, all right, shift to last topic. So you both carry a message together that has obviously evolved with you together. What does like the conversation of spirituality and God, like, how does that play out for you two in just what you're creating in business? Because everything you watch online from your event that you guys just put on, there's. There's definitely an undertone to something bigger than just let's have some muscles and be fit and biohacking, take care of ourselves.
Do you know who Mary Morrissey is?
Yes.
So Mary married us.
Wow. She's amazing.
She's amazing. I met her years ago and I remember she invited me to lunch. I'm like, you want. I thought she was pointing to someone else. You want to go to lunch with me? And she's gotten to be a very close friend and a mentor. We've gone on multiple pilgrimages with her. We went to Israel in February 2020. That was interesting. And then we went to Bali. We're going to Egypt here next February. And so I've done a lot of her work. And then her leadership training with her son John Boggs. Her whole kids, all of her family's involved in her work. I don't know if you're aware, she had the biggest non denominational church in the country. And then her then husband embezzled $10 million and she was called the prophet for profit and lost everything in her early 50s. She rebuilt everything and stepped outside the church.
Sure.
She was selling her program through the churches and then her kids all got involved and now it's became come the Brave Thinking Institute. And dream builder. And it's fantastic. So I would say, how we really do this? I was taught early on I had a mentor at point, some 30. He taught me how to manifest. And, you know, that really, she. She told me she was gonna teach me how to do business. She wasn't. She was a mindset trainer. And so that's where I've been my whole life. And then Mary just helped me exponentially increase it. So that's how we really think of everything, is we come from a place of what would you love? And then, you know, it's a very Joe Dispenza. How do you raise the vibration to just bring it to you? Not, how do you go chase this thing down?
Was that true for you before or is that new now? Being with jj?
It's very new. Always a manifester as well. Didn't realize it. And when I stepped into the world, you know, I say that My life changed October 1, 2015, because of the amazing community that she built, you know, that we now call the Health Business Growth Collective, which, you know, was formerly known as Mindshare. And I realized that the. The things that I was doing in the traditional healthcare world were so much different than what I was learning in the integrative, functional world. Right? We have these real healers and a lot of woo, right? There's these individuals, like, whoa. Like, these people are way. You know, they're on the edge.
Science. Woo.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, here I am, I'm in this very traditional world, you know, selling, selling, quite honestly, you know, things that, you know, we're just keeping people safe, sick, you know, while over here is where they were healing these individuals that were really sick. And, you know, it came. It came to me a couple years ago that it's like this happened for a reason. Like, for me to be in this world for so many years, and for me to be in it for six years while I was in this world, you know, it became a calling. And I started to realize that, you know, it's. It's my mission to really help these individuals and start to change the world of health. And because there's a lot of families out there that are broken, there's a lot of individuals out there who need help and they're being lied to. And, you know, this was a thing that I've been working on over the last couple of years, and I'm proud to announce that I just launched my podcast called Rebels with the Root Cause. And it's really about interviewing these doctors, these healers, you know, who were in the system, and they jumped out because they didn't believe in what they were being told, what they were being taught. You know, the brainwashing they were given by Big Pharma and these, you know, these medical schools. So, you know, I looked at that. It says, this is a time that, you know, this is like, we're in a very interesting time right now. And health is a big, you know, it's a big thing right now. Like, everybody's looking at it. And I stepped in and said, what's mine to, you know, what's mine to own and what's mine to. To really drive? And this whole thing about, you know, setting up what I would refer to as a new health paradigm, about really introducing the world to, you know, thousands of years, Chinese medicine and looking at all these healing modalities, you know, these saunas and PMFs and, you know, being able to use supplements and things like that that the traditional world didn't want you to do. Right, right. Because they just want to continue delivering what they're delivering and keeping the system going. That's why we're at a $4.7 trillion healthcare budget. It's absurd when all we can do is really heal. And the community that she set up, the work that she does just on her personal brand with, you know, like, getting women to step into their power and to start to lift heavy things and, you know, really helping individuals eat the right way to bring down the inflammation. I mean, there's so many. So many things going on here right now. It's like that, for me is like my, you know, where I want to take this thing to and leverage this community that we have of these doctors and. And accredited health professionals that can really make a big change in the world.
I'll tell you what's fun, too. We just did it at a. I just did a business talk at a clinical conference and then another one at another clinical conference. And one of the things I walked out with is I said, before we can talk about business, we have to talk about your vision and how for so many of you, you had this vision when you went to medical school, and then you got out into the world and you had overhead and you had liability insurance, and it just. Your dream died and you don't even know where it is anymore. And it's like, what, you know, what would you love? What is that dream? So that's where we all. I bring them back to. And it's wild to watch people wake back up. Yeah.
What's fun for me is to watch two people with such deep soul conviction like that speak in rhythm. Like, I'm around a lot of men, around a lot of loud men. Lot of dudes that yell. A lot of yellers. And they don't. A lot of them don't carry conviction. They're just loud. Like so just from one man to another who leads men. I see why you chose this one.
It's a good one.
Yeah. His. Well, and it's. And I love the fact that you come to terms too, with this setup. Like everything was a God set it up.
Yeah.
For you to have the conviction. Because without that deep immersion in that world, there's no way to love this one without that contrast. And now there's actually more credibility because you were like the guy, the Saul to Paul. That side set up this side. It's interesting because I have been sitting here. I love watching people, like, just watching. Getting to know people energetically, just so they share. They can see the rhythm between you two. Like, I was looking forward to just watching as it kept coming out. I was like, what's the rhythm? What's the rhythm? Now I see the rhythm. That's beautiful. It's beautiful. So what's the thing you two are most excited about right now? Like, the thing that you're moving towards in the vision with each other, in the calling, like jj, what do you think it is for you?
Besides this puppy right here? Yeah, besides this puppy.
So it's interesting.
The new baby to the rest of them. I bought my company back a couple years ago, my consumer brand. And we had to repair a lot of the other company as we had a CEO leave. And so the last couple years have been the kind of pieces of what you do in business is no fun. It's been really like what, 18 months, two years of all the systematizing stuff, the stuff that really sucks your soul out.
Right.
It's just. And all of a sudden it shifted. Like, I have a book coming out next June that I'm super excited about and more excited than any of the books I've done to date. And we are doing incredible stuff in the health business growth collective, like the places where we're going now and speaking, we're helping a 4M with their profitable practice blueprint. I'm sharing that. So, like, everything just shifted, you know, and so now it's just. It's just turning up the volume. And literally I told him, I go, you know, I think we're going to be sprinting till next fall. And then it Was like, you know, I think we're just going to be sprinting just for life. But what we do is like, we travel all over and we just schedule it the way I talked about where we schedule in. Like last night we went to a great restaurant in Miami. The night before we did his birthday in Miami. Then we went and spoke. Now we're here, we just, we just have a great time wherever we are because we're together. It's awesome.
I see it, I see it.
You know, I think what's important and we've started to see this now in our community is having this husband, wife, you know, working together, living together, just really inspiring others to really step into their power, step into this, you know, this couple power, this husband and wife power. And, and we've started to see that in our, in our community, our mastermind, you know, what we are on stage doing. We're attracting them and they're like, we feel the energy. We want what it is you have. Like, you know, we want to have that as well. And it's so inspiring to see that because, you know, the more that they can feel like they, they are connected right amongst, not only amongst one another, but in a community, right? To be able to see them rise. And for me, that's the biggest joy, like this is why I wake up every morning, is to see those individuals who are pushing the envelope, who are becoming more well known, and we're unapologetic about them making money because they need to, right? They need to make money to be able to continue to be able to deliver what it is that they do in the world, those healing power powers that they have. And I wake up every day saying, I want to serve those who they serve, right? I want to be that, that, that individual, that company, you know, that community that can really be open for anybody to come in that is ready to, you know, take their business to the next level. And you know, we've optimized, like, we've been through a couple challenging years, like, you know, basically replacing all the systems and turning over team and really getting our business optimized. And now that it is, we're ready for scale and it's so exciting. Like we just smile at one another.
Much more fun.
Here we go, right? Here we go. And we're going to get bigger and we're going to get more, you know, we're going to get more vocal and we're going to start to turn some heads and you know, you're going to, you're going to see us really start to make some big changes in the world of health.
And here's why it's cool. Like, early on, I remember I wanted to help a million people get healthy, and I was on Dr. Phil every week for two years, 30 million viewers. So I was like, okay, what's next? And it was like, what's that, moonshot? And I thought, what if it was a billion? And how would you do a billion? And the way you would do a billion is you'd find other people doing what you're doing and then amplify their voice, teach them how to do it. And I think right now, we probably are about 400 million, and that's it. Like. Like, think about the effect we can have. Like, when we help these. These people, we change the world. You know, it's not like we just know. You know, there's a lot of different businesses where maybe someone got a better car. Okay, big deal. But you have better physical health. It's a huge one.
Wow.
I agree with you.
I love that you guys are doing it together, too, because I think, you know, when you have an entrepreneur and they want their significant other to come along, it can be. Can cause a rift or a drift. And so the fact that you guys are demonstrating to your communities that you can do it together, I think is very powerful. Then they can bring their spouse on, and even if they don't work together, it's like being a part of each other's world. Like, we have totally separate businesses, but I come in to support him at any event he's at. He comes and supports me at any event. And I just think that's what's important in couples today, because you'll go further faster together than you will try to do it alone.
So otherwise they split up.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, you see it all the time because one's growing and one's going.
We see it all day long with wake up, warrior marriages that just collapse. The hardest part is when you have somebody who cares about growth and cares about consciousness and wants to rise as a soul and who they are and the person they're with is just too tired and too done, and then you're left with a decision. It's like, die to my soul and what I'm here for or let go. And it's hard.
That's the thing. You got to sprint together. You know, you're like, I signed up for the sprint. And he's like, let's go.
Yeah.
You know, we're gonna sprint till next fall. Gonna sprint until we're done.
We're just gonna sprint.
Where would. Where would be the best place? We'll tack it all up in the show set, but where would be the best place for them to continue to follow your journey. Come to events with you guys. Experience some amazing things you're up to today, Tim.
So well, for consumer. For women who are looking to optimize their health fixer metabolisms. That's jjvirgin.com and then for the health business growth collective.
Is it the HBGC.
The HBGC.com.
Yep.
Got it. Yep. That rebrand happened just recently, though.
Yeah, about a year ago.
Yeah. When we realized we were in a another country and they were like, what's mind share? So we kept that as our mastermind and as a big event where we do share, you know, but the rest of it is growing and scaling health businesses.
Awesome.
To make it obvious.
Yeah. What makes it easy. It's like, what is it? This is what it is. Okay, good. Nowhere you go.
Let's just call it what it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay. You ready to wrap?
Yeah. That was awesome.
It was awesome.
You're awesome.
You're awesome.
You guys are awesome.
You want to awesomely close the show.
All right, well, thank you guys for being here today. It was fun to get to know you more. I've followed a little bit of the story for a while, a while now, and I just. It's fun to have you guys here in the house. So thank you for being here.
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